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Re: Best/Favourite Kingdom (and Why?) Discussion

Unread postPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:46 pm
by Dong Zhou
I agree with ivolga that at least part of it was a signal to his officers and his soldiers. I value my men and look what happens if you are like Dian Wei, look what will happen to your family.

Cao Cao did mourn Cao Ang (while scholars hated over-mourning, I think failing to mourn the death of your eldest son would be considered a bit strange) and one annotation suggests Cao Cao was haunted by it in his old age.

Re: Best/Favourite Kingdom (and Why?) Discussion

Unread postPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:05 am
by greencactaur
ivolga wrote:I've got an impression that Cao Cao mourning Dian Wei or prioritizing his death over Cao Ang's was to create good PR among his generals. I don't want to say that Cao Cao wasn't sincere in his grief - just that he used it to gain more loyalty from his followers by showing them that he values his warriors more than his own kinsmen.


I'm speaking my personal opinion, and I've never had a son so I don't know if it really counts, but if my good friend died I would mourn the death of the friend more then my family. I think it also kind of depends on the person. I mean it might sound weird in current culture, but I think the fact that you choose your friends, and not your family actually makes me want to care for my friends more. Maybe i'm just weird haha.

Re: Best/Favourite Kingdom (and Why?) Discussion

Unread postPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:28 pm
by knightofhonnor
Personally, I like Wei the most. I'd also argue that Wei was the only kingdom that didn't suffer too badly from the death of it's first ruler (I say this as a Crusader Kings 2 player, and Zhuge Liang reminds me of an ambitious regent, the bane of many a kingdom in that game. :lol: )

But, if we're talking about some of the other rulers and their kingdoms/provinces, I've got an odd soft spot in my heart for Ding Yuan. The first lord to rise against Dong Zhuo, only to fall foul of vile treachery from one of his own commanders. And considering the armies Dong Zhuo had at the time, he was also incredibly brave, too.

Re: Best/Favourite Kingdom (and Why?) Discussion

Unread postPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:01 pm
by Shao Shanshu
Shu - just for the sake of keeping the Han dynasty.
Before Liu Xie's abdication - certainly Wei.