What was Wei Yan's intention before death?

[Aname]

In SGYY, Wei Yan seemed to be killed caz of betrayal to Shu. But I doubt about his intention... and I really want to know more about that.
All I know and read is:
1. Wei Yan insisted to conquer the north (Wei), even though Zhouge, the commander, was dead.
2. Wei Yan wanted to betray Shu and tried to escape to Wei.
3. Wei Yan led his own troop to battle other Shu troops as to prevent they from going back to Yi Zhou.
After analyzing 1, 2 & 3, my mind is still full of ''???'' , who can tell me what happened at that Shu army's retreat, Wei yan's death, and his intention?

[Aname]

P.S: even SGZ doesn't state about Wei Yan's death clearly.... seems like something is masked...

[TheGreatNads]

P.S: even SGZ doesn't state about Wei Yan's death clearly.... seems like something is masked...

So.... Is you're question about SGZ or SGYY?

[Aname]

Well, in fact, I wanna collect any possible data to analyze
from SGYY, from SGZ, or from whatever...

[Exar Kun]

SGZ and other various sources point to Wei Yan's intentions.They don't state(and neither do I believe) that he was planning on defecting to Wei.

Wei Yan wanted to be the new chief general,Grand Commander,Regent Marshall,same thing.

Yang Yi and others used Zhuge's orders to retreat the army.Wei yan felt that control should automatically revert to him since he is 2nd in command.He wants to continue the fight.Yang Yi takes the army so he's angry.He either is unaware of,or is ignoring Zhuge's retreat order.

He takes his force and decides to beat them to Cheng Du.He burns all the plank roads along the way.This is traitorous act #1.Yang Yi realizes this and fixes roads on his way back.They both send memorials saying the other is rebelling.The court believes Yang Yi.

When Yang Yi's force catches up,Wei Yan attacks them.This is traitourous act #2.Yan's soldiers realize he's wrong so they all abandon him and Wang Pang defeats his force.Ma Dai later catches up with him and kills him.

I agree with Chen Shou that his intent was simply to kill Yang Yi and those in disagreement with him in the hope that he would be made chief general.However,the way in which he did these things makes him a traitor.

[Devilrai]

This is what i may think of what he would of done if he was not killed by Ma Dai, is that correct? Anyway Wei Yan wanted Liu Bei join his force in Xiang Yang, but he did not do so, Liu Beu went on to Liu Qi, it was because of this he had to leave Liu Biao, so he went to the south to join Han Xuan. So maybe he wanted to take revenge on the Shu forces before, and after Zhuge Liang's death, but he was killed to soon for anything to happan, it can be a possiblity that he was tring to repent for what he did, that was kill Han Xuan.

Hopefully this will be of some help, if not...oh well, I tried.

[TheGreatNads]

SGZ and other various sources point to Wei Yan's intentions.They don't state(and neither do I believe) that he was planning on defecting to Wei.

Wei Yan wanted to be the new chief general,Grand Commander,Regent Marshall,same thing.

Yang Yi and others used Zhuge's orders to retreat the army.Wei yan felt that control should automatically revert to him since he is 2nd in command.He wants to continue the fight.Yang Yi takes the army so he's angry.He either is unaware of,or is ignoring Zhuge's retreat order.

He takes his force and decides to beat them to Cheng Du.He burns all the plank roads along the way.This is traitorous act #1.Yang Yi realizes this and fixes roads on his way back.They both send memorials saying the other is rebelling.The court believes Yang Yi.

When Yang Yi's force catches up,Wei Yan attacks them.This is traitourous act #2.Yan's soldiers realize he's wrong so they all abandon him and Wang Pang defeats his force.Ma Dai later catches up with him and kills him.

I agree with Chen Shou that his intent was simply to kill Yang Yi and those in disagreement with him in the hope that he would be made chief general.However,the way in which he did these things makes him a traitor.

I guess this would make Yang Yi a traitor too, right? I mean, he gave orders to Fei Yi, Wang Ping, and Ma Dai. Who made Yang Yi commander? That gives Wei Yan justification for attacking Yang Yi.

[Aname]

Thanks for Exar's post, I now have a deeper sight into this mistery.
And Blue Moon inspired me of another new idea: What if Wei Yan defeated Yang Yi?
I think his intension would had changed into---- becoming the new Shu Empiror....

[Aname]

If Zhuge failed to conquer Wei b'coz of refusing to take Wei Yan's suggestion nor put him into good use, then assume Wei Yan defeated Yang Yi and took the absolute control of the Shu army, will he succeed Liu Bei's and Zhuge's dream to vanish Wei and revive Han Denisty?

[TheGreatNads]

If Zhuge failed to conquer Wei b'coz of refusing to take Wei Yan's suggestion nor put him into good use, then assume Wei Yan defeated Yang Yi and took the absolute control of the Shu army, will he succeed Liu Bei's and Zhuge's dream to vanish Wei and revive Han Denisty?

No, Wei Yan didn't have enough support to sucessfully control the armies.