Great Deer wrote:The kingdom of Wu was known to have produced some capable commanders who were "fully operational" at the time of the battle of Chi Bi. Some of them were Lu Meng, Cheng Pu, Lu Xun, Zhuge Jin, etc. As such, the question is, was Zhou Yu instrumental to the alliance victory at Chi Bi?? Without him, could the victory be still achieved?
Zhang Liao17 wrote:It would have been tough because all the strategy that went into the battle of Chi-Bi wouldn't have been there. When Cao Cao sent the Cai's to defect there's no way to know if they would have been accepted without Zhou Yu. Its also possible that the fire attack wouldn't happen and that might spell defeat for the southland. It just depends on if someone in Wu can step up to the task and provide good strategy.
Zhou Lide wrote:Wouldn't Boyan be quite a bit younger at this junction? I don't think he would have been much over 10 or so, this is just speculation based on the fact at Yiling he was described as very young. So without Lu Xun taking Zhou Yu's place, I think Gongjin is indispensible, at least by SGYY standards, because he read into a lot of things that other couldn't see. Only Kongming and Huang Gai knew of the fire tactics, so without his valuable expertise and incite there would be nothing for Wu to do but fold.
Great Deer wrote:Lu Xun was born in 183 A.D. and at the battle of Chi Bi (208 A.D.), he was already 25 years old. He served Sun Quan at 21 years old and by 208 A.D., he would have serve Wu for 4 years.
Zhang of Yen wrote:The real battle of Chi Bie had much less of Zhou Yu in it. The battle of Chi Bi was two halves. The first half was a great victory of Liu Bei, which caused Wei to retreat while the second half was of HUAN GUY how using his own tactic set the retreating navy on fire.
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