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Unread postby Peter » Tue Jul 01, 2003 10:39 am

Ma Cho, well, more you think of him, more you pity him. Apperantly, every time he has decided to do something his family always ending up paying for it :lol: . Started the famous rebellion the contribute to his father's death ( some say his rebellion is an response to Cao Cao's force gathing in near region, but that's another story). then when he move away from Han Zhong (under Zhang Lu), his kid brother and his wife pay for it. Now even under the leadership of Liu Bei, he can't do much b/c the suspicision and danger for giving a newcomer in charge of full power (picture you just heired Bill Gates in your company!).

personaly, I do believe he is capable of writing a page or two in the book that we call history.
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Unread postby GLUEMAN » Fri Jul 04, 2003 4:13 pm

he lived to avenge his father and brother :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Unread postby Antiochus » Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:31 am

well he never did something great after joining Shu.
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Unread postby LorD Ma Titans » Tue Aug 19, 2003 8:19 am

If i remember correctly Ma Chao was the one who petitioned Liu Bei to become emperor. Stemming Ma Chao's heritage and position i think that he had the authority (correct me if i am wrong) to declare Liu Bei as Emperor. That is one of his great acheivements of Ma Chao i think.
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Unread postby Chao Tzu-Lung » Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:32 am

I always figured him as sort of a barbarian. You know like Loin cloth and canablistic. I mean the way he killed all those people. I forget where that is. I believ someone killed his family and he decimated an entire city. I would never doubt his bravery, i mean he fought so many people, and Cao Cao himself even compares him to Lu Bu. In my humble opinion Ma Chao was an able general and an able leader but i don't know how intelligent he was.
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Unread postby Iain » Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:45 am

I feel Ma Chao was an able warrior who needed someone to be connected to after the terrible deaths of his family and friends he was left quite in need of new friends.
The forces he fought for did not trust him totally and his brashness led to more trouble where cooler heads would prevale, but his valour attracted Lui Bei who wanted to bring him to his side and with a little help from Zhuge Liang he suceeded in winning over the brave warrior.
But following this there is little said about him and when we hear of his death it is almost missed in passing in fact Ma Dai appears more in the Nanman and Wu Zhang Campians Ma Chao is forgotten till his death.
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Unread postby Sima Hui » Thu Dec 11, 2003 5:21 pm

Since when was Ma Chao responsible for Ma Teng's death? If I remember correctly Ma Teng went to the capital and his plot to assassinate Cao Cao was leaked. Ma Chao's younger brothers, Ma Tie and Ma Xiu along with Ma Teng, were executed. Then Ma Chao rebelled. He took with him, Ma Dai (who escaped from the capital), Pang De, Han Sui, Cheng Yi, Cheng Yin, Ma Wan, Liang Xian, Hou Xuan, Zhang Heng, Yang Qiu and Li Kan, as well as 200 000 troops. They took Changan and almost destroyed Cao at Tong Gate. Han Sui rebelled and Ma Chao had to flee.

When he joined Shu Ma Chao did good work in repelling barbarian armies in the north. We just don't here much about him because he was far away.

Does anyone else share my views?
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Unread postby Peter » Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:05 am

if I do recall correctly...
in SGYY, Cao Cao killed Ma Teng thus Ma Cho revenge for his father
in SGZ , Ma Cho's supicious movement result be viewed by Cao Cao as
determination to rebell, thus Ma Teng end up getting killed...

yup, dude, I share your view, but partially... :D
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Unread postby jiang cheng » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:18 am

Ma Chao is not exactly useless. A useless general would not caused Cao Cao to be panic and named him as another Lu Bu.

If i remember correctly his role in Shu was mostly to establish a good relationship with the Qiang tribes so that they would not attack on Shu???
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Unread postby Dong Zhou » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:07 am

I'm not a fan, he took control of area's quickly when he did strike and had some success against Wei so he was alright but not much more then that. I prefer Yan Xing :P
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