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Re: Was Xu Huang talanted?

Unread postby PhoenixRising » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:39 pm

the glorious sun jian wrote:Not so far :)
Xu Huang was great in excuting his own orders .He had many victories .He has a very long list of defeated officers .
OK I may agree Zhang Liao was better but not that far .

he5 :D what i mean is his achievement.....okay Xu Huang have many long listed defeated officers, but Zhang Liao was better. he fight Sun Quan's army with a few troops. we can say, mission impossible thing. but he do it, he fight it.

Guan Yan wrote:Xu Huang never lost a battle I believe.

but he was killed in the battle, right? if i'm not mistaken, he was hit by arrows when he was fighting with Meng Da. Does it was count as a lost?:wink:
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Re: Was Xu Huang talanted?

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:01 pm

Novel yes, historically died of illness

Having said that, he was part of the failed defence at Hanzhong, though Xu Huang performed well that probably counts as a loss.
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Re: Was Xu Huang talanted?

Unread postby Guan Yan » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:55 pm

The fact is he won every battle except the last one he did in which he probably wasent to blame.
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Re: Was Xu Huang talanted?

Unread postby PhoenixRising » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:21 am

Wow :shock: ...what a great general indeed...

where you guys have his historical info?....i only read it in kongming.net.
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Re: Was Xu Huang talanted?

Unread postby Guan Yan » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:09 am

ZZTJ or translated by Rafe De
SGZ biography on 3kingdoms.net
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Re: Was Xu Huang talanted?

Unread postby PhoenixRising » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:25 am

Guan Yan wrote:ZZTJ or translated by Rafe De
SGZ biography on 3kingdoms.net


oh i see..thanks Guan Yan :D
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Re: Was Xu Huang talanted?

Unread postby Guan Yan » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:58 am

Its ok :)

question: Xu Huang was said to be the equal of Sun Tzu by Cao Cao
Would anyone consider him better then Sun Tzu?
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Re: Was Xu Huang talanted?

Unread postby PhoenixRising » Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:15 am

Guan Yan wrote:question: Xu Huang was said to be the equal of Sun Tzu by Cao Cao
Would anyone consider him better then Sun Tzu?


i'm not 8-) . Sun Tzu making Sun Tzu's art of war.
Xu Huang learn from Sun Tzu's book and Xu Huang did not making Xu Huang's art of war (i mean, Xu Huang did not make a book of war).
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Re: Was Xu Huang talanted?

Unread postby ZhouTai50 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:18 pm

I've always held Xu Huang in high regard. There's very few Wei generals I would count as his superior, which I think is saying something when you have as much talent as Wei did. His performance at Fan was brilliant, and his only true loss is at Hanzhong, where he still performed well. Cao Cao also seemed to hold him in high regard throughout the years.

As for the Xu Huang-Sun Tzu comparison, I would take Xu Huang. There is speculation on whether Sun Tzu ever really existed as a single person, and even if he was, he still has no record of battle.
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Re: Was Xu Huang talanted?

Unread postby Guan Yan » Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:58 pm

Lets just say Sun did Xu Huang could have learnt war tactics from many books not just art of war.
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