grand master of san guo wrote:which one u think should be the empoer of wei? i think cao pi is because hes know for good at milltary. and zhi just a poem writter thats all he is.
jiuwan wrote:I don't think it's fair to paint Cao Zhi as "just a poem writter thats all he is." If you've read his bio, it shows that he had a lot of potential. But fate never smiled upon Cao Zhi's way so he was never given any opportunities to show what he could do.
jiuwan wrote:Cao Cao himself believed that Cao Zhi had a lot of promise and potential. And Cao Cao who himself was highly skilled at picking talent himself, couddn't be wrong when it comes to his son can he?
TheGreatNads wrote:I disagree. He was given opportunities by Cao Cao, but Cao Zhi got drunk and never suceeded. Also, I don't think potential proves much.
TheGreatNads wrote:I think people overate Cao Cao's ability to judge talent. Look at all the trust he put on Xiahou Dun, Xiahou Yuan, and Yu Jin.
jiuwan wrote:Yes he was given opportunites by Cao Cao, but in his careless youth his drunkenness got into the way. After the death of Cao Cao, he still wanted to prove his worth for his country and for his family. If I remember correctly, there was no instances after the death of Cao Cao where his drinking got into the way of him trying to prove himself. Under the rule of Cao Pi and Cao Rui he wanted to prove his worth, but wasn't given the chance. This was the period I wanted to refer to. This was the point I was trying to make in my last post. Sorry if it come out wrong. (I need to sign up for some <b>E</b>nglish as a <b>S</b>econd <b>L</b>anguage classes ).
As for the potential part. It can or can not mean a lot. Depends of perspectives.
jiuwan wrote:Again sorry, I was trying to make a sarcastic remark on that point that's why I put in the laughing emoticon. Guess it came out wrong (ESL, here I come!) Cao Cao did have some extent in picking out good talent, just look at all the officers Wei had in his time. But he did have some flaws too as you've pointed out.
TheGreatNads wrote:What I was trying to say was that I don't blame Cao Pi for not wanting to use him, considering his past failures.
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