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Who do you like better: Xiahou Dun or Xiahou Yuan?

Unread postby grand master of san guo » Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:04 am

i think dun didnt got higher rank level than yuan. but yuan got killed to earliy :?
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Unread postby SoSZ Patch 0506C » Thu Apr 24, 2003 11:49 am

I like Dun better. Mainly cuse the guy ate his own eye.
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Unread postby Russ » Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:12 pm

I was never fond of Yuan. I like Dun better.
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Unread postby Chao Tzu Lung1 » Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:47 pm

Xiahou DUn sacrifice for his eye & devotion & loyalty to Cao Cao is surpassed by none in the Wei Empire, Dun is the Man,Yuan was a good general, but not one of my favorites
Zhao Yun, the best general for any ruler, but everyone has to die just as they live, even the heroes.....
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Unread postby TheGreatNads » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:38 pm

Xiahou Dun was an awful general. Xiahou Yuan sucked too, but he at least won a battle.
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Unread postby Shao » Thu Apr 24, 2003 5:12 pm

dun is too popular than yuan.
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Unread postby Humble Fisherman » Thu Apr 24, 2003 8:48 pm

I think the point in the book where I lost a great deal of respect for Xiahou Yuan was when Ma Chao was attacking Governor Wei Kang in Jicheng.

Wei Kang sent missives to Xiahou Yuan in Changan for aid, but Xiahou Yuan would not act without the advice of his lord.

Some might call this loyalty, but I think it shows Xiahou Yuan wasn't a self starter. One could only assume that had Ma Chao been stopped sooner, it would have been a tremendous boon to Cao Cao's cause, and it's highly doubtful that Cao Cao would have told Yuan not to send troops in any event (in fact, he eventually did arrive when Ma Chao had moved on to fight Yang Fu with his borrowed forces).

So, though he may have been a formidable warrior, I'm slightly turned off of Yuan for the simple reason that I believe he did not act when it was necessary, and could not make his own decisions.
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Unread postby Cao Ren » Thu Apr 24, 2003 10:13 pm

I like Dun better, so what if he didnt win any battles, he showed excellant leadership and great bravery, Yuan showed little and was indecisive, his loss at Hanzhong just tops him off
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Unread postby Kingdom of Cheng » Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:31 am

I like Xiahou Dun way better
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Unread postby waynethegame » Fri Apr 25, 2003 1:19 pm

Xiahou Dun, definatly. Xiahou Yuan is cool, but... he has issues. Didn't it say somewhere that he really, really enjoyed killing people? Even in Ancient China, that's a little much I think, since I'd imagine most of the killing was done (unless you happen to be Dong Zhuo or any of his gang e.g. Li Jue, Guo Si, etc) because you had no choice, not because you enjoyed doing it. Yuan sounds like a sadist to me.

Plus, in the TV series he looked like an idiot at Mt. Ding Jun. Come to think of it, in the series he was very ratty-looking and weak. Didn't look threatening at all.
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