The legimate heir of Liu Biao..

[Anshi]

The eldest son isn't automatically the heir, that's just a tradition that isn't always followed. Liu Biao wanted Liu Zong to inherit Jing, not Liu Qi, he doesn't have the benefit of hindsight like we do. Therefore, the rightful heir is Liu Zong.
BTW, giving the land to Liu Bei isn't any better than giving the land to Cao Cao, since they weren't in any way related other than having the same last name...

[Iznoach, Legendary Dragon]

Liu Bei, he would have done the most with the land than either of the other two choices, plus Liu Qi was a weakling, and Liu Zong was too young to properly administer the land.

[Jimayo]

The eldest son isn't automatically the heir, that's just a tradition that isn't always followed. Liu Biao wanted Liu Zong to inherit Jing, not Liu Qi, he doesn't have the benefit of hindsight like we do. Therefore, the rightful heir is Liu Zong.
BTW, giving the land to Liu Bei isn't any better than giving the land to Cao Cao, since they weren't in any way related other than having the same last name...

It's called the RULE of promogeniture, not the TRADITION of promogeniture.

[Han Xin]

It's called the RULE of promogeniture, not the TRADITION of promogeniture.

Please explained??

[Jimayo]

It's called the RULE of promogeniture, not the TRADITION of promogeniture.

Please explained??

The rule of promogeniture is where the first son takes over from his father. My point being it's called a rule cause it is expected to be followed. Which would make Liu Qi the rightful heir.

[Anshi]

No...it doesn't work that way. The eldest son IS NOT always the heir, it's just a tradition that IS NOT always followed. Liu Zong is one of those times where the tradition (not a rule) is not followed. I don't know who told you it was a rule in 3rd century A.D. China, but they lied to you. Noone ever passed a law saying that you HAD to have your eldest son be the heir...it was a TRADITION.

Liu Bei, he would have done the most with the land than either of the other two choices, plus Liu Qi was a weakling, and Liu Zong was too young to properly administer the land.

Well, if you're going on the rule of who'll do the most with the land, give it to Cao Cao, not Liu Bei...

[Jimayo]

No...it doesn't work that way. The eldest son IS NOT always the heir, it's just a tradition that IS NOT always followed. Liu Zong is one of those times where the tradition (not a rule) is not followed. I don't know who told you it was a rule in 3rd century A.D. China, but they lied to you. Noone ever passed a law saying that you HAD to have your eldest son be the heir...it was a TRADITION.

I never said they made it law. I just said they called it the rule of promogeniture. If you call it a rule then it must be expected to be followed.

[Han Xin]

The rule of promogeniture is where the first son takes over from his father. My point being it's called a rule cause it is expected to be followed. Which would make Liu Qi the rightful heir.

Sorry, may be you only go by the stuff in SGYY, but the number of heir that is not the eldest son Chinese history was even greater than the heir that is the eldest son.

[GuanYu]

I don't think Lui Qi or Lui Zong are ready to take over yet, therefore i choose Xuande![/url]

[Ma Zhi Xuan]

Liu Bei should of been the heir, Liu Zong and Liu Qi were too inexperienced to be owner's of grand territory. They'd only submit to someone like Cao Cao. But Liu Bei was noble and virtuous, hence why he didn't accept the land because he thought it was wrong, he would've been to expand his territory and of made use of it.