The legimate heir of Liu Biao..

[Han Xin]

Who was truely the legimate heir of Liu Biao?

Liu Qi: From the novel, it seem that he was a completely useless and but did guard Jiang Xia and also involved in the battle of ChiBi. Historically he was no morethan Liu Bei's puppet, basically he was given mediocre rank/title and sit-out his whole life without doing anything...

Liu Zong: Novelwise, Liu Biao already believe that he was a brighter son than Liu Qi, and Liu Biao already wanted Liu Zong as his heir before Liu Bei's selfish JingZhou's ambition make Liu Biao re-think. Even in the novel, there are some sign that Liu Zong although young but a smart kid. I couldn't find anything about Liu Zhong in the book of Shu so I can't really comments on it, I've readed some other person post that Liu Zong was not killed by Cao Cao and infact Cao Cao actually allowed him become a protector or governor (but don't quote me on it).

Liu Bei: Novelwise, always claimed that Liu Biao wanted him to took over JingZhou, which is very hard to believe consider that Liu Biao was shock by one of Liu Bei's outburst. When Liu Biao told him that he wanted Liu Zong to succeed, Liu Bei did everything to stop it knowing that Liu Zong would not easily be his puppet. After he got crushed by Cao Cao and needing the assistance of generious Wu to have a piece of land, he always use this nephew (~cough) as puppet to get what he want in JingZhou. He imprisoned Liu Qi in Lust and Luxury, but Liu Qi was too weak and died because of the punishment. Historically Liu Bei only use Liu Qi as a puppet figurehead, so he could legally occupied Southern JingZhou..

IMO, only LIU BEI deserved to be the heir to Liu Biao with all the effort he did by screwing up and controlling the two of Liu Biao's sons..

[Zhou Gongjin]

Sun Quan, it seems only fair after Liu Biao killed his father.

[Mega Zarak]

Novel-wise, Liu Bei cos Cao Cao killed Liu Zong and Liu Qi was the only succcesor and Liu Qi seemed to depend a lot on his bogus uncle so hmm....


Records wise and going according to Liu Biao's will, it'll be Liu Zong cos he's pretty much alive. If you regard Cao Cao as Liu Zong's new master, then Jing Zhou would naturally belong to Wei. hahahaa..

Liu Bei had no authority or right to put Liu Qi as the protector of Jing Zhou (which he did). If one goes with the saying might makes right, then there's no point in debating in this thread. Otherwise, I even wonder why Liu Qi could die so young under the tender care of Liu Bei. Seems like the only close ones to Liu Bei with surname "Liu" who survived is his dummy son Liu Shan. Liu Zhang was exiled, Liu Qi died "prematurely", Liu Feng was executed for "murky" reasons.

[Zhou Gongjin]

Seems like the only close ones to Liu Bei with surname "Liu" who survived is his dummy son Liu Shan. Liu Zhang was exiled, Liu Qi died "prematurely", Liu Feng was executed for "murky" reasons.

Hahahaha..I couldn't agree more.
I thought that during the Han Dynasty the rules of inheritance were changed so that each son would get an equal part of the father's property. What happened to sharing?

[Cao Ren]

i say it doesn't matter, but liu bei still should be the rightful heir, he was even oferred it by liu biao. WHY WOULD HE TAKE IT!!!!!!

[Zhang Liao17]

Cao Cao. Liu Qi and Liu Zong were a couple of spazzes, too weak to control a great region like Jingzhou. Liu Bei has no more right to be there than Cao Cao and if it came down to a battle in Jingzhou. Cao Cao could defeat all three of them.

[Dennis]

I think Liu Qi had some "issues" to work out, but in all honesty he was a good kid who had the hearts of his people in my opinion and wanted to fight to keep what his dad held.

Me thinks he is a well-behaved young lad, and well we saw what happened to Liu Zong when he was heir.

[James]

I will go with Liu Zong. Liu Bei was not fully supported and also had no right over Liu Zong and Liu Qi, no matter how incompetent. I think Liu Biao's nation was doomed to fail no matter what the decision though. Liu Bei was not in a position to fight Cao Cao, Liu Zong surrendered, and whoever puppeted Liu Qi would have failed.

Sun Quan, it seems only fair after Liu Biao killed his father.

Ha, things like that tend to happen when his father is trying to kill Liu Biao.

[Zhou Gongjin]

Ha, things like that tend to happen when his father is trying to kill Liu Biao.

For good reason ne. Everyone accuse him of blasphemy and not being loyal to the Han. Even Yuan Shu kidnap his wife and manipulate him. He didn't have a choice.
Neither Liu Biao's sons were capable, Liu Bei had absolutely no right to Jingzhou.
So why not give the lady to Liu Biao's lovely demo..I mean wife?

[James]

For good reason ne. Everyone accuse him of blasphemy and not being loyal to the Han. Even Yuan Shu kidnap his wife and manipulate him. He didn't have a choice.
Neither Liu Biao's sons were capable, Liu Bei had absolutely no right to Jingzhou.
So why not give the lady to Liu Biao's lovely demo..I mean wife?

Heh, not that I blame him for his decision.