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Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:06 am
by Zyzyfer
Tao Qian wrote:Someone knows how old was Cao Cao when he invaded the privince of Jingzhou?


Early 50s - he was born in 155 and invaded in 208

Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:25 pm
by Tao Qian
Zyzyfer wrote:
Tao Qian wrote:Someone knows how old was Cao Cao when he invaded the privince of Jingzhou?


Early 50s - he was born in 155 and invaded in 208


Thanks! :D

Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:46 am
by greencactaur
How was Zhang Liao received under Lu Bu? Was he worth praising during his career under Lu Bu? I have always been under the impression his fame sky rocketed more so after joining Cao Cao. Specially after the events of He Fei.

Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:22 pm
by Dong Zhou
greencactaur wrote:How was Zhang Liao received under Lu Bu? Was he worth praising during his career under Lu Bu? I have always been under the impression his fame sky rocketed more so after joining Cao Cao. Specially after the events of He Fei.


Zhang Liao's sgz skips through is early career to an extent, only till after Guan Du does it start going into details about battles he fought. Ding Yuan saw his skill as a warrior, Lu Bu promoted Zhang Liao twice and Cao Cao used him quickly after Zhang Liao's surrender which suggests to me Zhang Liao was of some note during their fights.

Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:54 pm
by Han
IIRC Zhang Liao while teaming with Gao Shun also defeated Liu Bei one of the greatest military generals of that era under Lü Bu orders.

Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:02 am
by Tao Qian
Hi everybody,

I wanted to ask about Xiakou. in the "Romance of the three kingdoms", on chapter 39, Sun Quan conquers the city and send Gan Ning there. But on chapter 42 when Liu Bei is escaping from Cao Cao, Zhuge Liang goes there for reinforcements.
When did Liu Biao recover the city?

Thanks :D

Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:31 am
by Sun Fin
My understanding is that Sun Quan captured the city, massacred inhabitants, took the rest captive then abandoned it. This previous post backs up this sequence of events, meaning Huang Zu/Liu Biao could have retaken it at any time.

Sun Fin wrote:For the most part these threads are all self-referential in terms of sources. The interesting conversation occurs in this thread.

This post claims it was in Sun Quan's SGZ itself:

Lu Kang wrote:The mention of a massacre is actually in Chen Shuo's own text. From Sun Quan's SGZ:

In the spring of the 13th year [208], [Sun] Quan again attacked Huang Zu. At first [Huang] Zu sent his navy to resist the army, but Chief Commandant Lu Meng broke his vanguard. Ling Tong and Dong Xi attacked him and then massacred his city. [Huang] Zu fled. Riders pursued him and took his head. Several tens of thousands people were taken captive.


and this former, much respected member backs it up:

Crazedmongoose wrote:What? NO.

Chen Shou was quite clear about this. And I read it in the original chinese.

He massacred Xiakou, and then whomever survived was taken captive. It was sequential. Or else he wouldn't have used the phrase "massacred his city" (tu qi cheng)


The problem is we don't know what translation Lu Kang used. We might need to wait for xuesanguo to translate Sun Quan's biography to get a final answer. :lol:

Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:51 pm
by Tao Qian
I see, thanks a lot :D
Another footnote thanks to you, guys :D

Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:58 am
by Sun Fin
We frequently talk about how Cao Cao was lucky to survive in comparison to Sun Ce. Anyone feel like helping me by list the historical occasions of this?

Re: Three Kingdoms Questions (You Ask, We Answer)

Unread postPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:50 pm
by Dong Zhou
Off the top of my head: the Cao Hong rescue, Wan, Ma Chao, that early incident with Lu Bu. Not sure if any more.