madaboutck wrote:It is entirely possible that he joined these warlords that you mentioned not only because they had the power to resist and even overcome Cao Cao, it could also be due to the fact that they are simply the closest allies that were available to him and had common interests in "finishing" Cao Cao.
madaboutck wrote:Mengdez New Book wrote:
Indeed, it was Kong Ming's plans that somehow made Liu Bei ambitious enough to challenge Cao Cao and Sun Quan. However, it was a feasible plan and it required one merit of Liu Bei, his "name" of Liu. As such, I wouldn't say that he had almost nothing for he did have this tremendously "credible" asset which the other warlords except Liu Biao and Liu Zhang had.
Certainly, if not for his "Liu" name, I wonder whether he could have seek refuge with Liu Biao and Liu Zhang and eventually "having" their lands.
Pang Shiyuan wrote:Just a quick question, CK...
One other minor warlord shared the same surname...Liu Du. Was he related in any way to Gao Zu?
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