Azrael wrote:Let's not forget that Wu was basically a warlord state, and was constantly at War. With Wei, with Shu, with Liu Biao, and with the Shanyue.
Jonathan Wu wrote:Not Liu Biao, Huang Zu. Liu Biao cared little for the Sun family, and Huang Zu was the main target of the Sun family in all their campaigns. Also, the rulers of Wei had a personal interest in the war with Wu, they probably saw Wu as more of a threat than dictator Liu.
I hope you mean the younger Liu, cause Cao Cao thought the elder was his biggest rival/threat.
Jonathan Wu wrote:Nope, I mean Liu Bei. When Cao Cao rushing through Jing, I don't remember him being scared of Liu Bei. But I do remember him sending a letter to Sun Quan to intimidate him. If you go by SGYY, then yeah, Cao Cao considered Liu Bei the "other hero", but I think these things are so grosely biased in a Han/North way (like my earlier debate on Liu Bei being the "perfect ruler" in the style of Zhu Yuanzhang, but I digress).
Honestly if Cao Cao really thought Shu would be his biggest threat, he is quite stupid.
Actually I am told the conversation about heroes did take place. But that's besides the point.
Let's be honest, neither really posed much of a threat. Not really. Much as they tried they never gained any ground on Wei.
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