Wen Yang wrote:If Yuan Shao won, Yuan Shu would feel he was a threat and still declare himself emperor and Yuan Shu and Yuan Shao would fight for control, while Liu Bei and Sun Ce gain power in the south.
Yeah that is true but Ma Teng will not died and Ma chao do not need to run away. Yuan Shao have a very large army. If Sima Yi goes to Yuan Shao u think the same thing will happen i mean Yuan Shao do listen to people who is close to him.Ma Chao fan wrote:I just wanna put my insight since I made the topic right before school ended.
I say the Sun clan would overcome since Yuan Shao was very indecisive and his advisors quarreled with each other,which would bring his territory into a civil disaster.One thing though,is many of Cao Cao's generals(that is,if they weren't executed) I think would go to Liu Bei,especially Zhang Liao and Xu Huang since they were friends with Guan Yu.But Guan Yu might not even be alive anymore.There are just so many factors mainly depending on who's still alive and who isn't.
But the reason I feel the Sun clan would win is since they had control of Wu by then,they would keep expanding their territory in the south,especially Jingzhou since I think Sun Quan will want revenge on Liu Biao for the death of Sun Jian(if I remember correctly,that is,he died fighting Liu Biao and Yuan Shu).The only problem is,Sun Quan would always wait for oppurtunities instead of taking them,but maybe with Zhou Yu still alive,he would advise him to take more chances.But then again,Zhuge Liang might join the Sun's due to Zhuge Jin being with them.I just think that the chances for the Sun family uniting China is more than any other warlord of the time.
Zhugeliang wrote:Yeah that is true but Ma Teng will not died and Ma chao do not need to run away. Yuan Shao have a very large army. If Sima Yi goes to Yuan Shao u think the same thing will happen i mean Yuan Shao do listen to people who is close to him.
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