Could Yuan Shao have conquered China?

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Unread postby Mengdez New Book » Sat Jan 18, 2003 1:03 am

If he changed his attitude, he can conquer the whole China. Anyway, Yan Liang and Wen Chou maybe do have their credibilty, it is unlikely for both of them to be the top generals in Yuan's side when Zhang He around. Still, maybe they both closed to Yuan Shao such like Guan Yu and Zhang Fei to Liu Bei. That's why Zhao Yun has been 'forgotten'.
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Unread postby Asellas » Sun Jan 19, 2003 5:23 pm

Sun Seth wrote:Yes, he could have. Yuan Shao had a much larger force than Cao Cao, and if he listened to his advisors, and if his sons weren't disunified he could have. Just like what happened at Guan Du. If he would have won, pretty much all of Cao's territory would fall to Shao, and just play Yuan Shao as if he were Cao Cao. Yuan Shao certainly had more lineage and authority to the land rather than Cao Cao, because of his noble name, Yuan.
Tat's right but Yuan Shoa didn't take the opportunities he had i don't know what but he did have some.
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Unread postby Wizardman » Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:03 pm

I don't think Yuan Shao could've conquered China. Most of his strategists always throught differently, and does he have any other good generals besides Yan Liang and Wen Chou? You need more then two to win a dynasty. If he won Guan Du, then he may have had a chance to at least get some of Cao Cao's men, but it would probably just end up being the Four Kingdoms.
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Unread postby Antiochus » Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:52 am

I dont think Yuan Shao had the intelligence to win the land. He lost to Cao Cao when all odds were on his side. He was also arrogant and was not able to use his advisors in a clever way.

And for is good generals, Yan Kiang and Wen Chou... I belive that they put them really strong in the book because they wanted to Show that Guan Yu was able to defeat any great warriors.
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Unread postby Devilrai » Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:23 am

Yuan Shao had the army to conquer China but in the end he could not even if he did his reign would last no longer than Dong Zhuos because though Yuan Shao was a bright man, but he was not bright enough to understand. For Example he put Tian Feng into jail because if his strategy, so Yuan Shao would not hold China for long, or he never could have.
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Unread postby Han Liang » Sat Feb 07, 2004 5:01 pm

Yuan Shao could not have conquered China. Someone else in Yuan Shao's position could have conquered China. How about... Sun Quan?
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Unread postby Lord Sun Ce » Sun Feb 08, 2004 8:08 am

He would have conquered definetly. Especially with the added forces of Cao Cao.
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