Mengdez New Book wrote:As you all know, Liu Bei had one child name Liu Shan and one adopted child name Liu Feng. Liu Bei adopted Liu Feng after he conquered Fan Cheng. Liu Feng original named was Kou Feng, Fan Cheng’s Yuan Ling (Officer rank’s name) Liu Bi’s (Liu Mi) nephew, Luo Hou Kou Si’s son. Before Liu Bei adopting Liu Feng, Guan Yu advised Liu Bei that Liu Bei already owned Liu Shan, it was unlikely for him to adopt Kou Feng because later both of them maybe will quarreled to become Liu Bei’s successor. Unfortunately, Liu Bei ignored Guan Yu advice.
Mengdez New Book wrote:Then, time passed until Liu Bei realized that he made a big mistake to adopt Liu Feng. In his heart, he wanted Liu Shan to be his successor but he didn’t know how to explain to Liu Feng because Liu Feng was older than Liu Shan. According to Chinese tradition at that time, mostly the oldest son will be the next successor. So, Liu Bei asked Kong Ming’s opinion about this matter and Kong Ming was wise enough to avoid himself to be dragged into this family matter. Kong Ming advised Liu Bei to consider the views from Guan Yu and Zhang Fei. Liu Bei did so and Guan Yu clearly stood at Liu Shan’s side, he said Liu Feng didn’t have any reputation to be Liu Bei’s successor. This action has caused hatred inside Liu Feng’s heart. That’s the reason why Liu Feng didn’t really want to help Guan Yu when Guan Yu surrounded by Wu’s armies at Mai Cheng.
Mengdez New Book wrote:With this, Liu Bei should know better than anybody that nobody can involve in the family conflict or matter, why he asked opinion from Kong Ming or Guan Yu? Is he trying to let other to be blamed in his successor issue so that he can remain good and mercy behind all these?
Han Xin wrote:MNB, I know your thread is based on SGYY. But what the heck....
Han Xin wrote:I don't know how Liu Bei could've reget adopting Liu Feng, Liu Feng was a good general and was put incharge in the defenses of ShangYong (a vital link between JingZhou and YiZhou), and from his bio, it seem he did a good job of it. About not sending troops to Guan Yu, I believe he had problem with Shen Den's rebellion too. So you can't really blamed him.
Cai Yan wrote:I don't think Liu Bei had any intention of letting his most trusted subordinates to be in bad blood with his future successors by asking for their opinions on which son to put on the throne. Why should he destroy the trust between his sons and his most most trusted men?
I see Liu Bei consulting Zhuge Liang and Guan Yu because these two were his most trusted fellows among all his other subordinates. Why did Guan Yu favour Liu Feng over Liu Shan in SGYY? My guess is because Liu Shan was the "real" son although he's younger, and Liu Feng's adopted although he's older. In any case, Liu Bei's other dilemma could be that none of his sons were worthy of the throne, or else why did he say to Zhuge Liang to take over the empire if Liu Shan prove to be useless??
Mengdez New Book wrote:A question rise here, did Liu Bei purposely ‘trapped’ Guan Yu in the successor matter because he didn’t really want Liu Feng to hate him? Well, Liu Bei at the beginning should know well that nobody could involve in family matter because only those who are inside the family should know what to do.
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