RyoHazuki wrote:I think the reason Cao Cao beleived if he had Guo Jia,Chi Bi wouldnt be a failure is because Guo Jia would have advised against it.
As smart as Guo Jia was a combined force of Wu-Shu would have devestated Wei despite who was there at the time.Cao Cao was rejecting advise giving too him (was it Cheng Yu?) so it was much like Liu Bei at Yi Ling;Attacking out of arrogence rather than strategy.
And Suming up the forces even though Shu/Wu didnt have as much soildiers they had pleanty able officers.
Zhou Yu-Probably in my honest opinion the biggest threat in the combined force without Zhou Yu then there is a slight chance that Wei would have won but its only slight.
Huang Gai-Underrated,came up with the plan too hold off Wei by using Fire.
Zhuge Liang-At the time,not the greatest in war stratgies but that isnt enough too rule him out as a unable advisor.
Gan Ning-Like Zhou Yu,very kind to his troops and able to rally his force against any kind of odds.Proven too be pretty intelligent in warring afairs.
Zhang Fei-At this point his true abilties as a general are coming into fruitation.Brave yet smart he would serve as a strong unit in the war.
Cheng Pu-I think he was the co-commander in this battle,am I wrong? Anyway he is also a underrated general,however he is one of Wu's more able generals and serves in the Chi Bi battle very well.
Pang Tong-Was that chaining of boats really his idea? Even if it wasnt he would be a more important part of the allied forces.He who dares wins,Pang Tong in the past has shown this and I'd say if he and Zhou Yu were not present at the war then Wei would have an even larger chance of success.
Wu's Naval Experience-I think this is self explanitory but togther with Wu's experince and Wei's lack of Naval wars would serve the allied forces greatly.
Terrian-This was Wu's home land,which was WELL scouted out before hand.So even if the Fire attack did fail then there were pleanty of other places to map out able tactics.For example a rockslide.
So I think it's safe too say Wu alone were the winners of this fight.Shu "sealed the deal" and pretty damn well too
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