Xun Yu - MVP of the Era?

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Xun Yu - MVP of the Era?

Unread postby Wenruo » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:17 am

Okay okay, I know I'm biased because he's my namesake and my favorite character in the novel and the TV series... But hear me out.

He saw that Dong Zhuo was evil and Yuan Shao was fatuous, so he found the Lord who could put his talents to good use, Cao Cao.

He advised Cao Cao to "rescue" the emperor and use him to control the other lords, in what was Cao Cao's most strategically important move.

He salvaged a desperate situation when Lu Bu invaded while Cao Cao was off in Xu province.

He brought many other men of talent into Cao Cao's service.

He gave Cao Cao strength to hold on during a desperate moment in the Guandu campaign, which ultimately decided that Wei would dominate the central plains and unite the realm.

For what it's worth, the reason he is my favorite is because while he served an ambitious Lord, he was still true to his loyalty and principles. He was a master strategist but also would rather die than be disloyal to his Emperor.
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Re: Xun Yu - MVP of the Era?

Unread postby Han » Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:49 am

Xun Yu never cared about the Emperor much if at all. His first and foremost concern was ensuring that the Han Dynasty will continue and the people of China will recover from the decline of the Eastern Han.
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Re: Xun Yu - MVP of the Era?

Unread postby Sun Fin » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:34 am

I feel like you might enjoy this free source about Xun Yu ;)

I certainly agree with you that he a likable and a real stand up guy. He seems like the last Han loyalist and I respect him for confronting Cao Cao, his great friend, when he was no longer comfortable with the direction he was moving in!
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Re: Xun Yu - MVP of the Era?

Unread postby DaoLunOfShiji » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:37 pm

This is also a great paper on Xun Yu (and Xun You), which includes translations of their SGZ biographies.
https://threestatesrecords.files.wordpr ... wo-xun.pdf
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Re: Xun Yu - MVP of the Era?

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:14 pm

Welcome to forum Wenruo

I'm not sure about MVP (surely it is Dong, the starter of chaos :wink: ) but Xun Yu is a very well regarded figure for his tragic end with the complexity of serving two things that had become conflicting, his loyalty to the dying Han and for his great service under Cao Cao including the reasons you mentioned.
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Re: Xun Yu - MVP of the Era?

Unread postby Sun Fin » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:23 pm

Dong Zhou wrote:Welcome to forum Wenruo

I'm not sure about MVP (surely it is Dong, the starter of chaos :wink: ) but Xun Yu is a very well regarded figure for his tragic end with the complexity of serving two things that had become conflicting, his loyalty to the dying Han and for his great service under Cao Cao including the reasons you mentioned.


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Re: Xun Yu - MVP of the Era?

Unread postby DaoLunOfShiji » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:10 am

Sun Fin wrote:
Sorry, we all know who the real MVP is!


Zhong Hui :D
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