Was Sun Jian China's best general... when he died?

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Re: Was Sun Jian China's best general... when he died?

Unread postby DaoLunOfShiji » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:09 pm

But Sun Jian was literally stopped in battle...
"To triumph without fighting is the greatest enterprise of the sovereign. Better to capture a state intact than to wreck it; better to capture an army complete than to destroy it. These are the principles of warfare."
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Re: Was Sun Jian China's best general... when he died?

Unread postby Ouyang_Feng » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:41 pm

DaoLunOfShiji wrote:But Sun Jian was literally stopped in battle...


He was unlucky, it was stray arrow
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Re: Was Sun Jian China's best general... when he died?

Unread postby DaoLunOfShiji » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:43 pm

...Stray arrow?

SGZ Prime records

He was shot and killed by a soldier of Huang Zu's army as he rode without an escort to Xianshan.


Dianlue records

Huang Zu was defeated and went to hide in Xianshan, and Sun Jian followed up his victory and chased after Zu in the night. A soldier of Huang Zu's command in a grove of bamboos and shot Sun Jian and killed him.


Yingxiong Ji records

Liu Biao’s officer Lu Gong led soldiers to climb the hills and fight Sun Jian. Sun Jian led light-armed horsemen into the hills to find Lu Gong and attack him. Lu Gong’s men hurled down rocks and Sun Jian was hit on the head; at once his brains spilt out and he died.
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Re: Was Sun Jian China's best general... when he died?

Unread postby Ouyang_Feng » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:47 pm

DaoLunOfShiji wrote:...Stray arrow?

SGZ Prime records

He was shot and killed by a soldier of Huang Zu's army as he rode without an escort to Xianshan.


Dianlue records

Huang Zu was defeated and went to hide in Xianshan, and Sun Jian followed up his victory and chased after Zu in the night. A soldier of Huang Zu's command in a grove of bamboos and shot Sun Jian and killed him.


Yingxiong Ji records

Liu Biao’s officer Lu Gong led soldiers to climb the hills and fight Sun Jian. Sun Jian led light-armed horsemen into the hills to find Lu Gong and attack him. Lu Gong’s men hurled down rocks and Sun Jian was hit on the head; at once his brains spilt out and he died.


Okay okay i only familiar with Sanguozhi, i'm stupid and NOT AS ADVANCE AS ALL OF YOU. Anyway.. he was ride alone so it was careless
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Re: Was Sun Jian China's best general... when he died?

Unread postby DaoLunOfShiji » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:00 pm

I'm not accusing you of being stupid, I am only presenting what the records say. I don't know you well enough to judge your intelligence, friend.
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Re: Was Sun Jian China's best general... when he died?

Unread postby Ouyang_Feng » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:08 pm

DaoLunOfShiji wrote:I'm not accusing you of being stupid, I am only presenting what the records say. I don't know you well enough to judge your intelligence, friend.


I appreciate it, sorry i was get on my nerves, you push me around here and there. Even small thing like choosing He Qi. Bit angry.. i'm only human
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Re: Was Sun Jian China's best general... when he died?

Unread postby DaoLunOfShiji » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:58 pm

If it comes across as pushing you around, I am sorry. I am simply trying to understand why you make certain claims or choices because I am interested.
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