The Fall of the Han by B J Mansvelt Beck

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Re: The Fall of the Han by B J Mansvelt Beck

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:26 pm

Lord Yang Jiahua wrote:Tch, criticisms stepped on, but eh i don't know as much as many of the people here, especially about Three Kingdoms historically, or apparently this period in China.

Despite my History degree, there was a giant lack of Chinese History classes when i was in college, and the ones that were there simply surveyed the subject, and pretty broadly also painted most emperors as figureheads. If they don't get a name, like Han Gao Zu, Wu Di, Guang Wu, Li Yuan, Li Shimin, Wu Zetian, XuanZong, Zhao Kuangyin, and so up, they weren't studied.
Does show why the man gets to write in the Cambridge History though.


I didn't mean to step on you, sorry. Yeah I don't think western universities cover Chinese history in detail (sadly for us) which I can understand

The first comment is because the novel's sequencing has him arrive in the capital without any appearance of controlling the official appointments, though the notes say he already had two of the Three Elder Lords offices. We're only told he has these offices, so my mistake then.


He arrives as essentially a border governor when he arrives and meets Bian and Xian. He then gets promoted afterwards was my reading of it

Novel doesn't depict any Emperor as potent at all,and always attributes Emperors that had true authority to the likes of Han Gao Zu, Wudi and Guang Wu, even perhaps Sima Yan.


I think that is a mixture of things. The novel isn't that interested in painting the Han build up other then setting out 1) things had got bad, 2) eunuchs are bad, 3) there were some gentry heroes, 4) eunuchs are bad. With the need for Han to be still be something to look up to, hitting the eunuchs more then Ling is probably a better bet. It also needs to avoid mentioning that the gentry helps kill Han, Wei and Wu.
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Re: The Fall of the Han by B J Mansvelt Beck

Unread postby Sun Fin » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:11 pm

I've just ordered this book as my Christmas present from my parents! I'm very excited to get my hands on it after reading the chapter here! Someone had a 2nd hand copy on sale for under £60! I couldn't believe how good value that was!
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