SGZ, JS, HHS biographies of Lady Bu, Sima Biao and Wa/Japan

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SGZ, JS, HHS biographies of Lady Bu, Sima Biao and Wa/Japan

Unread postby plunged » Fri May 26, 2017 9:23 am

Hello all,

Happy to share three more translations :-) All small ones though, from three different sources.

The first one is the biography of Lady Bu, from Sanguo zhi, who you probably all know was Sun Quan's wife.
 English translation | original Chinese text

The second one is the biography of Sima Biao, from Jin shu. He got my interest when me and tigertally made a list of texts cited by Pei Songzhi in Records of the Three Kingdoms some years ago and his name and/or his texts appeared quite frequently in there.
 English translation | original Chinese text

The third one is the biography of the Wa people, from Hou Han shu. Wa is a former name of Japan and home of the pretty well-known queen Himiko. My personal favourite of the three. Maybe the SGZ version of this biography should get a translation too, I think it has information the HHS version doesn't have.
 English translation | original Chinese text

So, what do you guys think of these?
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Re: SGZ, JS, HHS biographies of Lady Bu, Sima Biao and Wa/Ja

Unread postby DragonAtma » Fri May 26, 2017 3:45 pm

While SIma Biao's page says he's biologically related to the dynasty, it doesn't say how; Wikipedia claims he's the grandson of Sima Jin, one of Sima Yi's borothers (thus making him SIma Yi's grandnephew and Sima Yan's second cousin).

Also, in the Wa page you wrote "Yan Empire" -- I think it should be Yin (after Shang dynasty's capital), not Yan.
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Re: SGZ, JS, HHS biographies of Lady Bu, Sima Biao and Wa/Ja

Unread postby plunged » Fri May 26, 2017 5:54 pm

DragonAtma wrote:While SIma Biao's page says he's biologically related to the dynasty, it doesn't say how; Wikipedia claims he's the grandson of Sima Jin, one of Sima Yi's borothers (thus making him SIma Yi's grandnephew and Sima Yan's second cousin).

Also, in the Wa page you wrote "Yan Empire" -- I think it should be Yin (after Shang dynasty's capital), not Yan.


Well, it's a direct translation of Sima Biao's biography, and Wikipedia's article about him is not. For example the Sima Jin 司馬進 you mention does not appear in Biao's biography. At least there is no '進' in the one at my wiki, nor at the one at Wikipedia.

But to answer your question: Sima Yi is an uncle of Sima Mu, Biao's father. So Sima Yi is a granduncle of Sima Biao. So I think that makes Sima Biao a third cousin of Sima Yan (not so good in family trees though). But thanks for pointing this out, I should have a note about this in the translation.

I also fixed the Yan/Yin (殷) thing, thanks!
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Re: SGZ, JS, HHS biographies of Lady Bu, Sima Biao and Wa/Ja

Unread postby DragonAtma » Sat May 27, 2017 12:21 am

Fortunately, we're allowed to add commentary to the SGZ translations!

That said, if Sima Mu is the nephew of Sima Yi, then we have this:

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       Sima Fang
     ______|______
    |             |
Sima Yi       Sima Jin  (brothers)
    |             |
Sima Zhao     Sima Mu   (first cousins)
    |             |
Sima Yan      Sima Biao (second cousins)


For reference, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sima_Biao is the page that said Sima Biao is Sima Jin's grandson.
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Re: SGZ, JS, HHS biographies of Lady Bu, Sima Biao and Wa/Ja

Unread postby plunged » Sat May 27, 2017 6:31 pm

yes, luckily we can. I've added some nice comments to these and other articles thanks to replies I got here and other places.

And thanks for that tree. That clears things up.
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Re: SGZ, JS, HHS biographies of Lady Bu, Sima Biao and Wa/Ja

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Mon May 29, 2017 8:34 am

Thanks, was intresting to see what the Chinese felt about Japan and others
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