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JS biography of Chen Shou (translation)

Unread postby plunged » Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:50 pm

Hello everyone,

Another translation, this time not from the History of the Later Han but from the History of Jin! Chen Shou's biography. I hadn't seen a complete translation of his biography yet, though bits of it are translated in some of Robert Joe's work and Wikipedia. It's not very long, but pretty interesting nonetheless (imo).

If you wanna read it, click here.

It's a translation of chapter 82, section 52 of the Collected Biographies liezhuan 列傳 of the History of Jin, which you can see here.
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Re: JS biography of Chen Shou (translation)

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:52 pm

I don't know if there is a way to format the first paragraph better as it ends up looking squeezed? Might read better if split into two paragraphs?

That was, even for someone who has read Empress and Consorts, an intresting read that fleshed out some parts of him I had only minimal knowledge of.
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Re: JS biography of Chen Shou (translation)

Unread postby DragonAtma » Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:53 pm

As luck would have it, I was reading about late officers in the past couple weeks... including Chen Shou. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Shou (quoting Qing dynasty writer Pan Mei 潘眉) the Ding brothers were skipped not because of a bribe request but because they were irrelevant. And quoting Qing dynasty writer Zhao Yi, it says that CHen Shou highly praised Zhuge Liang's political ability.

Also, the Yuankang years would be 291-297 not 191-197. ;)

Finally, there were speculations that Chen Shi (who was punished by Zhuge Liang by being shaved) was Chen Shou's father; however, there isn't enough evidence to know things one way or the other.

For the curious, Xiahou Zhan was Xiahou Yuan's great-grandson (via Xiahou Wei), and Xun Xu was Xun Yu's cousin, once removed.
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Re: JS biography of Chen Shou (translation)

Unread postby plunged » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:03 pm

Dong Zhou wrote:I don't know if there is a way to format the first paragraph better as it ends up looking squeezed? Might read better if split into two paragraphs?

That was, even for someone who has read Empress and Consorts, an intresting read that fleshed out some parts of him I had only minimal knowledge of.


Ye perhaps I should. In the original Chinese text, it was one whole paragraph too, and I just kept that format.

DragonAtma wrote:Also, the Yuankang years would be 291-297 not 191-197. ;)


oops! well, I guess that's because I always write about the early pre-200 years :P Thanks for pointing it out.

And yes, I guess I should mention Chen Shi somewhere, even though, like you said, he's not proven to be Shou's dad.

And the fact that Chen acknowledged Zhuge's political skills should also be mentioned somewhere. Good points. I'm not sure the Dings were irrelevant? I don't know that much about them. But there are other men who could've gotten a bio, but didn't.
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Re: JS biography of Chen Shou (translation)

Unread postby Sun Fin » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:52 pm

Really interesting! I don't know as much about the later period and despite the fact that Chen Shou is our main source of knowledge form the era I knew remarkably little about his life! Thanks plunged :).
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