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Hair and facial hair?

Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:30 pm
by Sun Fin
I'm sure I've seen discussions about this before but I can't find it now, I suspect it was all in the 3K question thread which is why I'm making a separate thread now - easier to find later.

Were men expected to grow there hair out? Same with facial hair, did people style it or was it considered unmanly to shave/trim?

Re: Hair and facial hair?

Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:03 pm
by DragonAtma
Their body -- including their hair -- was considered a gift from their ancestors. As a result, even trimming would be an insult to their ancestors.

That's why all men had a full beard and long hair (if possible) , and forced shaving was considered a punishment.

Re: Hair and facial hair?

Unread postPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:18 am
by capnnerefir
This is also why historical records made a big deal about someone having a particularly full beard (like Taishi Ci) - it was seen as a mark of virtue and distinction.

Re: Hair and facial hair?

Unread postPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:22 am
by Zyzyfer
capnnerefir wrote:This is also why historical records made a big deal about someone having a particularly full beard (like Taishi Ci) - it was seen as a mark of virtue and distinction.


And also makes all the bishonen types in the ROTK/DW games running around all the more hilarious.

#returnthebeardofTaishiCiKoei

Re: Hair and facial hair?

Unread postPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:01 am
by Sun Fin
Ah thank you, now you say that it does ring a bell! :lol:

Poor Taishi Ci!

Do you know if the tribes took a similar approach?

Re: Hair and facial hair?

Unread postPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:09 am
by danuracula
Why eunuchs are forbidden to have facial hairs?

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Re: Hair and facial hair?

Unread postPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:06 am
by ivolga
danuracula wrote:Why eunuchs are forbidden to have facial hairs?


They weren't forbidden - it was biologically impossible (in most cases): facial hair growth is caused by testosterone - a hormone eunuch's organism can no longer produce.

If castrated before puberty, facial hair never grow, voice remains high and height may be taller than average. If castration happens after puberty, and a person already has a beard - usually it falls out completely or gets significantly thinner. Also, since male pattern alopecia is caused by testosterone, eunuchs didn't suffer from it.

Re: Hair and facial hair?

Unread postPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:22 am
by danuracula
ivolga wrote:
danuracula wrote:Why eunuchs are forbidden to have facial hairs?


They weren't forbidden - it was biologically impossible (in most cases): facial hair growth is caused by testosterone - a hormone eunuch's organism can no longer produce.

If castrated before puberty, facial hair never grow, voice remains high and height may be taller than average. If castration happens after puberty, and a person already has a beard - usually it falls out completely or gets significantly thinner. Also, since male pattern alopecia is caused by testosterone, eunuchs didn't suffer from it.

Now i know.. thanks!

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Re: Hair and facial hair?

Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:27 pm
by Aaron.K
Sun Fin wrote:I'm sure I've seen discussions about this before but I can't find it now, I suspect it was all in the 3K question thread which is why I'm making a separate thread now - easier to find later.

Were men expected to grow there hair out? Same with facial hair, did people style it or was it considered unmanly to shave/trim?


Men were expected to grow their hair and facial hair out if they were physically able to. That's one of the reasons why beards were such a distinction as capnnerefir mentioned. But it's also to do with the fact that men who could grow beards would likely have been rather rare, and I presume that those who had impressive beards by Chinese standards might have been exaggerated in regards to visual depictions. I doubt Guan Yu's beard was as thick as it's often portrayed, unless of course he had a different ethnic background through his ancestors which could have possibly allowed such a thing.

Re: Hair and facial hair?

Unread postPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:02 pm
by Sun Fin
So whilst men didn't shave ethnically the ability to grow proper beards wasn't that common? Does that mean that many men would have ended up with wispy bits?