Dong Zhou wrote:Ma Chao: He is a hard person to pin down how good or bad he was but he was a skilled general with various victories to his name. While the Qiang were crushed under him, that was going to happen anyway.
Dong Zhou wrote:Ma Su: I find it find to be too critical of a man who seems to have had a mental breakdown at Jie Ting.
That seems an extremely harsh interpretation of events. Ma Teng was probably a dead man the moment Cao Cao decided he would destroy the Liang warlords. Cao Cao provoked the war, probably deliberately, and rejected every offer of peacebut Ma Chao just took the cake by indirectly killing his own father by defection for the sake of power.
Xiahou Ren wrote:What did Guan Yu do? He killed Yan Liang. Big deal. To be honest, I don't think it affected the outcome of Guan Du at all. Who is this Yan Liang guy anyway?
Xiahou Ren wrote:
The thing about Guan Yu, he never did anything outstanding. He may grew a strong army, but ultimately lost everything he had worked for. At the end of the day, the loss he caused far outweigh his deeds. Yet he remained arrogant, overconfident, condescending, and probably a jerk to everybody else, friend and foe alike, just because he's Liu Bei's favorite guy. For me he's like that unemployed deadbeat uncle who drinks on your porch all afternoon and teasing you with sexual jokes. And you'd be scolded by your father if you complain about him. The worst out of five Tiger, Guan Yu is.
Xiahou Ren wrote:these guys had no idea what to do with so much resource, came up with disastrous idea, and ended up undid all the good stuff they had done
Xiahou Ren wrote:He insulted his ally, rob their food, and scolded his subordinate.
Why must he patronize Wu? Why he treated them as if they were his lapdog, not equal ally?
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