I think that saying that all Sun Jian did was have kids is really harsh and unfair.
If Sun Ce had been born the son of a merchant do you really think he would have been able to rule his own kingdom? Sun Jian did a lot in terms of social advancement and even gained a few officers despite not conquering a land base.
That said I still would vote for Sun Ce. He won many victories and secured a lot of land that later became the centre of Wu. He also gained a lot important men including Zhou Yu and Zhang Zhhao who were crucial to Wu even after Bofu's death.
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