Long wrote:It would depend upon the aspect you are referring to. When looked at this way, each is better than the other in different regards.
Out of the two which one would I most want to serve under. Well, I would have to say Cao Cao, due to his penchant for political reform, expansionism, and ambition. In that regard he is superior to Sun Jian.
Out of thw two which would I more like to have as a vassal under my rule. Well I would most definitely take Sun Jian by far over Cao Cao. Sun Jian was a capable commander, and his loyalty was unquestionable. These are two virtues that any ruler with any sense would seek from his subjects. So in this regard Sun Jian is superior to Cao Cao.
Men are not all created to similar callings in life, and though some may excel at certain aspects, they will be surpassed in others.
In the Qiang battle he was not routed completly .Also remember that his leader refused to follow his plan which is also thought by Dong Zhou ..
The third one was not a defeat his unit had the most fight so he was wounded .Thats is not a defeat
Dong Zhou wrote:I would give it to Cao Cao and note that Ce, who suffered one defeat, as better then both Mengde and Jian
Long wrote:Agreed. Bofu out politicked Cao Cao and Yuan Shu, and was a greater military commander than Mengde or Wentai. Superior to both.
Exar Kun wrote:Apparently the stock of Yan Baihu and others has risen tremendously in the time I have ignored most threads on this forum.
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