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Unread postby xiaoxiannu » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:15 pm

I have a question about this man... :D
According to novel, is he finally married woman who is Zhao Fan brother's wife ? Who is the name of that woman ?
Are Zhao Guang and Zhao Tong is they child ?
And what did Guan and Tong did after his father dead, except for guarding his tomb ?
Is they not participate in Shu expedition ?
I waited for you answer and opinion... :D
Thanks before... :P
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Re: Zhao Yun's wife and his children

Unread postby Sun Gongli » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:22 pm

xiaoxiannu wrote:I have a question about this man... :D
According to novel, is he finally married woman who is Zhao Fan brother's wife ? Who is the name of that woman ?
Are Zhao Guang and Zhao Tong is they child ?
And what did Guan and Tong did after his father dead, except for guarding his tomb ?
Is they not participate in Shu expedition ?
I waited for you answer and opinion... :D
Thanks before... :P


Her name was Lady Fan, but Zhao Yun didn't marry her. He refused to because Zhao Fan had sworn brotherhood with him, which made Zhao Fan's deceased brother Zhao Yun's brother as well, thus it would've been dishonorable for Zhao Yun to marry her. He actually raged against Zhao Fan for suggesting the marriage.

Zhao Guang and Zhao Tong served in the defense of Shu against Wei. Zhao Guang died during Wei's final invasion.
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Unread postby huaxiong » Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:01 pm

actually Zhao Yun said that as an excuse, the real reason was because zhao fan's intentions were not clear.
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Unread postby Shogun 2.0. » Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:50 am

There is a pretty interesting story involved here. While the SGZ doesn't actually record the name of Zhao Yun's wife, or even give any hints about her at all, there is quite alot of folk tales. One popular tale names Zhao's wife as Lady Sun Ruan'er. I found the story from the site Three Kingdoms World. I did some light editing.

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How did Long-Winning General Zhao Yun die? It is said he was killed by his wife using a needle. Why would his wife want to kill him? Is it because his wife fell in love with another guy? No, they really love each other. So what is the reason?

Zhao's wife's name was Sun Ruan'er. She was very pretty, had a beautiful body, and was very outgoing. After she was married to Zhao, they often joked with each other. Zhao loved his wife also.

One time, Zhao went to a battle and did not come back until few months later. When he finally got back, his wife welcomed him. But after a while, Sun used a broom to swipe the floor. Suddenly, she used it to hit Zhao Yun and said, "How come you never return, you deserve it". Zhao Yun, on the other hand, was escaping the broom while he laughed, "Please stop, I will not do it again next time". After he pleaded a while, Lady Sun then stopped. From that time on, everytime when Zhao Yun got back, Sun would scold him badly and Zhao did not get angry at all. It is said that "hitting is a way showing close relation, and scolding is a way showing love."

One day, Zhao came back from the battlefield, Sun was very happy and heated the water so Zhao could take a bath. While she was sewing with a needle. Zhao took down his clothes and his skin was like a jade, smooth and shiny without a scar anywhere. Sun was very curious, "General, even with a jade, there is a scar somewhere, how come you don't have any when you went to battle so many times?" Zhao was very proud, and said, "Because I have never lost a battle, and never had a scar, or why would people call me Long-Winning General?"

After Sun heard it, she smiled, "Really, you never lost a battle, I don't believe it."
Zhao said, "Then what can make you believe it?"
Sun laughed, "I would like you to bleed today". As she said it, she used the needle to poke Zhao Yun on the shoulder. She was just joking around with Zhao, however, the small poke made Zhao bled a lot.
Zhao Yun cried, "No..."
Sun was really surprise and quickly moved to his side and helped him to cover up the bleeding point. But the scar keep bleeding and Zhao soon turned white. He looked at his crying wife and said, "I have never had a scar on the countless battle I have been to, but today I will die from a needle of my beloved wife, what a pity!" Then he died. Sun never guessed that one small joke could kill her husband, she regretted it very much and cried, "I killed my husband, I killed my husband ..... General, you are dead already, why would I want to live anymore?" So she used Zhao's sword and killed herself.

When Luo Guanzhong wrote RTK, he thought Zhao Yun, as a brave general, should not die so plainly. If he wrote it in the book, it will not only blacken Zhao, but also will make the people blame Lady Sun, so he deleted this story.


Another popular story had Zhao Yun's wife as one Lady Ma, a sister of Ma Chao. In the KOEI game Extreme Romance of the Three Kingdoms she is named Ma Yunlu. I can't find the story about her though.
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Unread postby Sun Gongli » Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:01 am

Extreme Romance of the Three Kingdoms is not a game. It's novel made in Taiwan that's essentially a propaganda retelling of Romance of the Three Kingdoms that basically stretches the absurdity to Kessen II-like heights, including Pang Tong not dying, Ma Chao playing a far larger role than he did historically, and fictional characters like Ma Yunlu.
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Unread postby Shogun 2.0. » Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:26 am

Sun Gongli wrote:Extreme Romance of the Three Kingdoms is not a game. It's novel made in Taiwan that's essentially a propaganda retelling of Romance of the Three Kingdoms that basically stretches the absurdity to Kessen II-like heights, including Pang Tong not dying, Ma Chao playing a far larger role than he did historically, and fictional characters like Ma Yunlu.


Ah thanks for that info Sun Gongli. I though I had Ma Yunlu's name misspelled but I wasn't sure.

On Extreme Romance:

Thanks for pointing that out. I read about it on CHF (China History Fourm) and from the way in which they talked about EROTK I thought it was KOEI game.
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Unread postby xiaoxiannu » Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:00 am

Oh..I never heard that there is another story of Zhao Yun death... :D
:lol: :lol: :lol:
If Zhao Yun get raged to his brother Zhao Fan because of this marriage proposal...is he keep the sworn brotherhood with Zhao Fan or break it ? In the novel there no explain on this. :?
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Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:39 am

He told Liu Bei that he was unsure of Zhao Fan's loyalty and he was right, Zhao Fan defected to Wei. So no, think brotherhood was pretty much forgotten
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Unread postby Elitemsh » Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:30 pm

The risk was not worth the reward. Zhao Yun didn't trust Zhao Fan so it was illogical to take the risk. It was good judgement from Zhao Yun. I wonder if the lustful Guan Yu would have done the same.
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Unread postby Paler than Moon » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:18 pm

Hahahaha, I really doubt the autheticity of the needle myth, it's an interesting story though. I mean, if Zhao Yun really died in such a way, someone or something whould have recorded it. And how could a small needle kill someone? I don't think it's possible (except if the needle is 3 feet long).

And come on, the women back there were not important in government and all, not even their full name was recorded except if they were prominet female figures.

Zhao Yun wife was most likely just a normal girl, courted in the usual way thus not mentioned in history unlike the wives of other prominent figures.

However, it'd be very interesting if Zhao Yun did marry Lady Fan (there's another thread which has a funny story on how Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang plotted to make Zhao Yun marry Lady Fan).

Also I've heard somewhere that Lady Fan was suposed to be very pretty. Is this true?
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