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Re: Unique Bios from Rafe's Tome of Kickass.

Unread postby Sun Fin » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:23 pm

Thanks Slick!
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Re: Unique Bios from Rafe's Tome of Kickass.

Unread postby Sang » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:22 am

I'd like to request for Lü Bu's advisor Chen Gong.

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Re: Unique Bios from Rafe's Tome of Kickass.

Unread postby Tarrot » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:31 am

Chen Gong [Gongtai] (d.198): Dong. In 192 Chen Gong was an officer under Cao Cao
when Liu Dai the Inspector of Yan province was killed by Yellow Turbans. Himself a
native of the province, he persuaded the local leaders to invite Cao Cao to become
Governor.
In 194, ambitious and unsure of his favor, Chen Gong joined a plot against Cao Cao
while he was engaged with Tao Qian in Xu province, inviting Lu Bu to take over. Chen
Gong became adviser to Lu Bu, but Lu Bu paid him small attention, and by the following
year Cao Cao had retaken the province.
In 198 Cao Cao captured Lu Bu and Chen Gong at Xiapi. Cao Cao had been fond of Chen
Gong: he killed him for his disloyalty, but looked after his family. - SGZ 1:9-10, 7:221-
29, HHS 75/65:2446-52.


Note: There's a lot more information about him in the dictionary, but its spread out over various bios (like the quarrels he had with some of Lu Bu's officers).
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Re: Unique Bios from Rafe's Tome of Kickass.

Unread postby Sang » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:43 am

Tarrot wrote:
Chen Gong [Gongtai] (d.198): Dong. In 192 Chen Gong was an officer under Cao Cao
when Liu Dai the Inspector of Yan province was killed by Yellow Turbans. Himself a
native of the province, he persuaded the local leaders to invite Cao Cao to become
Governor.
In 194, ambitious and unsure of his favor, Chen Gong joined a plot against Cao Cao
while he was engaged with Tao Qian in Xu province, inviting Lu Bu to take over. Chen
Gong became adviser to Lu Bu, but Lu Bu paid him small attention, and by the following
year Cao Cao had retaken the province.
In 198 Cao Cao captured Lu Bu and Chen Gong at Xiapi. Cao Cao had been fond of Chen
Gong: he killed him for his disloyalty, but looked after his family. - SGZ 1:9-10, 7:221-
29, HHS 75/65:2446-52.


Note: There's a lot more information about him in the dictionary, but its spread out over various bios (like the quarrels he had with some of Lu Bu's officers).


Interesting. The rumour about him staging a coup against Lü Bu (in 196) is false? Based on this biography, doesn't mention that he was involved in Hao Meng and Cao Xing's rebellion.
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Re: Unique Bios from Rafe's Tome of Kickass.

Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:35 am

It doesn't include everything and I think that was false.
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Re: Unique Bios from Rafe's Tome of Kickass.

Unread postby Lady Wu » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:57 am

From the Record of Heroes:

 英雄记曰:布水陆东下,军到下邳西四十里。备中郎将丹杨许耽夜遣司马章诳来诣布,言“张益德与下邳相曹豹共争,益德杀豹,城中大乱,不相信。丹杨兵有千人屯西白门城内,闻将军来东,大小踊跃,如复更生。将军兵向城西门,丹杨军便开门内将军矣”。布遂夜进,晨到城下。天明,丹杨兵悉开门内布兵。布于门上坐,步骑放火,大破益德兵,获备妻子军资及部曲将吏士家口。建安元年六月夜半时,布将河内郝萌反,将兵入布所治下邳府,诣厅事合外,同声大呼攻合,合坚不得入。布不知反者为谁,直牵妇,科头袒衣,相将从溷上排壁出,诣都督高顺营,直排顺门入。顺问:“将军有所隐不?”布言“河内儿声”。顺言“此郝萌也”。顺即严兵入府,弓弩并射萌众;萌众乱走,天明还故营。萌将曹性反萌,与对战,萌刺伤性,性斫萌一臂。顺斫萌首,床舆性,送诣布。布问性,言“萌受袁术谋。”“谋者悉谁?”性言“陈宫同谋。”时宫在坐上,面赤,傍人悉觉之。布以宫大将,不问也。性言“萌常以此问,性言吕将军大将有神,不可击也,不意萌狂惑不止。”布谓性曰:“卿健儿也!”善养视之。创愈,使安抚萌故营,领其众


Don't feel like translating all of it, but basically what happened was that Hao Meng rebelled; Gao Shun went to suppress the rebellion; Cao Xing turned against Hao Meng. Hao Meng stabbed Cao Xing, and Gao Shun beheaded Hao Meng. Gao Shun then brought Cao Xing to Lu Bu, who interrogated him about it. Cao Xing said that Hao Meng was instructed by Yuan Shu to rebel. Lu Bu asked who else was involved, and Cao Xing said Chen Gong was. Chen Gong heard it and grew red in the face, but Lu Bu didn't pursue the matter.
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Re: Unique Bios from Rafe's Tome of Kickass.

Unread postby Zhao Yun '87 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:58 pm

Does it allude to if the red in the face was due to embarrassment/worry or anger?
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Re: Unique Bios from Rafe's Tome of Kickass.

Unread postby Starscream » Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:50 pm

Chen Gong's face was flushed and it was noticed by those beside him. I suppose his emotions at that time is open to speculations.
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Re: Unique Bios from Rafe's Tome of Kickass.

Unread postby Gray Riders » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:18 pm

The Record of Heroes entry makes me curious. Chen Gong already betrayed Cao Cao, after all...
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Re: Unique Bios from Rafe's Tome of Kickass.

Unread postby Striga » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:44 pm

That doesn't necessarily mean much. Just because he betrayed Cao Cao already doesn't mean he wants to betray Lü Bu as well, or feels good about doing so. He might have felt closer to Lü Bu. After all, he was one of three officers who remained loyal to Lü Bu.
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