Sun Quan also repeatedly sent messengers from the court to reprimand Lu Xun. Filled with vexation and grief, Lu Xun died, at the age of 63. He had little wealth to leave behind to his family.
Died of frustration/grief either tends to mean 1) died of natural causes and they thought the person's troubles led to that, 2) code word for forced suicide. Deposed Han empresses always "died of grief" after losing power and moving to separate palace for example.
I'm on my phone sorry for any types and terrible grammar. I think Lu xuns exile was the right choice. If sun quan chose a successor that was weak they'd be easily controlled, like emperor bixian and cao cao. If he ended up agreeing with lu xun and unexpectedly died lu could've controlled the government and controlled all power. Reading someones mind is impossible so even if lu was loyal he could've just as easily been bidding his time to rake over.
If sun Quan chose one group over the other the government would've been split and internal problems would've occurred. The art of war promotes discipline and lu xuns actions were in my eyes incorrect. The successor to sun Quan was a family affair he shouldnt have ever been apart of. He should've followed his lord faithfully until Quan asked for his opinion. If he didn't punish lu xun it would've promoted the idea of a general being unfaithful! How could he be able to maintain military and state discipline without
properly disciplining and rewarding the men?
If Sun Quan believed Lu Xun was a threat to his power, Lu Xun would have never been guardian to Sun Deng.
Lu Xun was Prime Minister while the heir issue had become an affair of state as it tore the court apart and was endangering the kingdom, Lu Xun was acting to shield Sun Quan's designated successor and the state. Given it was Quan's family it was a little murky as to where the line was, but Lu Xun had a case for interfering. How Sun Quan handled it was very much up to him, there was no hard and fast ruling that says Quan had to stop Lu Xun and Wu would not have been endangered if Lu Xun had been listened to.
Proper rewards and punishment are important (though given Quan allowed mass murder by some of his generals, Sun Quan was rather lax on that), what Quan did to Lu Xun didn't have anything to do with that.
greencactaur wrote:As for warlords being Jerks, deception is key to warfare. Out playing, maneuvering, and out smarting your enemy is the key. So lying, and distrustfulness sometimes is the best option depending on circumstances. If lu bu some how.managed to win at Xia pi he would be considered a military genius, instead of an unloyal dog. Therefore if one is capable of showing their enemy they are weak when they are actually strong or they are strong when they are actually weak, the truly can master the art of war.
I don't see the connection between executing someone for being witty/publicly humiliating a loyal adviser and being a cunning warlord who uses deception.
“You, are a rebellious son who abandoned his father. You are a cruel brigand who murdered his lord. How can Heaven and Earth put up with you for long? And unless you die soon, how can you face the sight of men?”