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How many children, and wives did Liu Bei have...?

Unread postby zhuge liang2 » Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:54 am

I was just curious, how many wives did Liu Bei have, and how many
sons did he have? How many wives did Cao Cao have, and how many
sons did he have? How many wives did Sun Jian have, and how many
sons did he have?
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Unread postby ZhouTai50 » Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:00 am

Liu Bei- Wives: 3 Sons: 4(Including Liu Feng)
Cao Cao- Wives: 6 Sons: 25
Sun Jian- Wives: 1 Sons: 5

Of course, this is not counting consorts.
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Unread postby Lord Chuff » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:00 am

Liu Bei- Wives: 3


I thought Liu Bei had 4 wives: Lady Mi, Lady Gan, Lady Sun and a fourth whose name I can't remember but became his wife after he conquered Shu.

Cao Cao- Wives: 6 Sons: 25


25 sons! I had no idea he had so many, from what the novel showed I always assumed he only a few: Cao Pi, Cao Zhi and Cao Zhang.
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Unread postby Kong Wen » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:20 am

ZhouTai50 wrote:Liu Bei- Wives: 3 Sons: 4(Including Liu Feng)
Cao Cao- Wives: 6 Sons: 25
Sun Jian- Wives: 1 Sons: 5

Of course, this is not counting consorts.

If you're not counting consorts, Cao Cao only had two official wives. See my new Cao family tree for more detailed information.

Liu Bei had at least four wives and concubines (Lady Gan, Lady Mi, Lady Sun, Lady Wu). It's unknown exactly how many of these women could be considered principal wives.
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Unread postby ZhouTai50 » Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:59 pm

I'm pretty sure that only Lady Sun, Lady Wu, and Lady Mi were Liu Bei's wives. Lady Gan was just a consort, if I recall.

Hmm, Cao Cao was married to Princess Bian and Lady Ding, then, and not the others?
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Unread postby Kong Wen » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:40 pm

ZhouTai50 wrote:I'm pretty sure that only Lady Sun, Lady Wu, and Lady Mi were Liu Bei's wives. Lady Gan was just a consort, if I recall.

Of the wives we know about and have names for, I believe you're right.

ZhouTai50 wrote:Hmm, Cao Cao was married to Princess Bian and Lady Ding, then, and not the others?

Sure, if that's how we'd like to think about marriage practices back then. It's evident that some of the concubines were highly favoured and considered to rival the wives in rank (the first Lady Liu in particular), though.
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Unread postby TsaoTsao » Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:51 pm

Kong Wen wrote:Sure, if that's how we'd like to think about marriage practices back then. It's evident that some of the concubines were highly favoured and considered to rival the wives in rank (the first Lady Liu in particular), though.

Refresh my memory, but Lady Liu was his first wife right? Cao Ang's biological mother who died at child birth or something?
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Unread postby Kong Wen » Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:56 pm

TsaoTsao wrote:Refresh my memory, but Lady Liu was his first wife right? Cao Ang's biological mother who died at child birth or something?

His first wife was Lady Ding. Lady Liu, Cao Ang's mom, was a concubine (albeit a highly cherished one). She died a few years after he was born (Cao Ang had a younger brother and a younger sister). After she died, Cao Ang was raised by Lady Ding.
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Unread postby Cao Ah Man » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:00 pm

But despite the fact that Cao Ang wasn't her son, Lady Ding loved him like her own. When Ang died, she supposedly was so overcome with grief, that Cao Cao divorced her because apparently she was too depressing to be around, making Lady Bian his principal wife.
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Unread postby TsaoTsao » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:06 pm

Cao Ah Man wrote:But despite the fact that Cao Ang wasn't her son, Lady Ding loved him like her own. When Ang died, she supposedly was so overcome with grief, that Cao Cao divorced her because apparently she was too depressing to be around, making Lady Bian his principal wife.

Wait, wasn't it Lady Ding that left Cao Cao (and she slapped him on his way out too I think. Or am I mixing the sgz with that tv series?) because he "killed" her son? I remember Cao Cao went to visit her a few times at her home trying to win her back but she just stopped talking to him afterwards. Afterwards Cao Cao divorced her and told his father-in-law to find a good man for her.
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