man_on_the_pot wrote:how so? Sun Jian almost defeated Liu Biao when he was with Yuan Shu. Sun Ce had pacified the Yang Province, and could have defeated Liu Biao without much effort. Cao Cao was getting ready for a war with Yuan Shao, Sun Ce had crushed Huang Zu, Sun Ce should have moved into Jing, and most likely would have had he not died.
When Sun Jian attacked Liu Biao, there was noone as near as powerful as Cao Cao near him ready to take his land. Saying Sun Ce could have defeated Liu Biao easily isn't that reasonable. Yuan Shao should have defeated Cao Cao without much effort. Cao Cao should have won at Chi Bi without much effort. I'm not sure if Sun C had any advantage at all at that time unlike in those 2 situations. Not to mention Sun Ce is the one who is attacking. When has their ever been a battle where the attacker had a weaker force and won (just look at Jiang Wei).
Attacking Liu Biao and taking Jing also leaves him defenceless to Liu Zhang as well as Cao Cao. The soldiers' moral must be low after running all over Jing. Liu Zhang must feel threatened by the bloodthirsty tiger that just killed his relative. He also has a buffer to the north(Zhang Lu) so he won't have to worry about leaving his province defenceless. The battle of Guan Du must have been finished by now and Cao Cao surely won't pass up the opportunity. Sun Ce should have lost at least half his troops fighting Liu Biao leaving him with less than 15000 soldiers to defend such a vast territory. Guess who gets defeated?
Then again there is always the chance that Sun Ce will lose
fighting Liu Biao.
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