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Re: Red Cliff (Film) Discussion Thread

Unread postby Sun Fin » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:37 pm

Watched part 1 today.

I really enjoyed it.

The fight scene with the formation was a little bit ridiculous I thought and some of the moves felt like they'd been pulled straight out of the DW games! :lol: I loved that Gan (N)Xing was armed with a falchion, is that something that is attached to his legend apart from DW? As a character he always looks so grumpy though! Zhang Fei to be honest just felt like comic relief.

I enjoyed Lady Sun's presentation, I felt like it captured what we think we know of her personality even if it wasn't entirely (/at all) historically accurate! :lol:

I particularly enjoyed the relationship between Zhou Yu's relationships; first with Xiao Qiao and also with Zhuge Liang. ZGL comes across as a lot less of a jerk than in the novel.

Looking forward part 2 tomorrow!
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Re: Red Cliff (Film) Discussion Thread

Unread postby DaoLunOfShiji » Fri May 11, 2018 7:16 am

I just finished this entire film today, and despite my reservations before watching it I ended up truly enjoying it. Tony Leung, who also played Broken Sword in Hero, stole the show for me as Zhou Yu. I was truly fearful this would be another "Zhuge Liang is so perfect and flawless" adaptation of the Three Kingdoms, but Wu really seemed to get the attention they rightly deserved and that was truly wonderful. As like all John Woo movies the cinematography was top notch. Beautiful film. The score was excellent. My only complaint was that there was too much involvement by Liu Bei in his crew, but that's the historical stickler in me.

All in all, despite it's ridiculous length, I truly enjoyed it a lot.
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Re: Red Cliff (Film) Discussion Thread

Unread postby Sun Fin » Fri May 11, 2018 7:21 am

It's not a movie you watch for historical accuracy but for fan service it does a better job of promoting Zhou Yu and the Wu faction than the novel!
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Re: Red Cliff (Film) Discussion Thread

Unread postby Jia Nanfeng » Fri May 11, 2018 4:05 pm

Yeah, I agree with you DaoLunOfShiji and Sun Fin.

The attention and fair treatment that Wu gets is a big reason I like Red Cliff. It was also cool seeing SSX have a role in the war, even if historically unlikely. And I found that Zhuge Liang was played very well — he was there to help others think rationally, not just do all the thinking for them. (Like a therapist. :lol: )

I have not seen the American cut but I do wonder if the Wu was represented as well there.
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Re: Red Cliff (Film) Discussion Thread

Unread postby Sun Fin » Fri May 11, 2018 4:51 pm

I've also only seen the full version so can't confirm if the shorter cut gives Wu fair screen time!
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Re: Red Cliff (Film) Discussion Thread

Unread postby Li_Shengsun » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:13 am

Its a great film indeed. I love the battle part while also enjoys the ploy they use against each opposing party. It's a nicely written stories.
Red Cliff is the most popular since the battle itself represented all parties of Three Kingdom. With Wei having the most military strength while both Liu and Sun only has 1/10 of Cao's strength and how they beat the odd despite having outnumbered greatly.
You can't just pick the Battle of Fan Castle to represent Three Kingdom after all. As most people who love Guan Yu would be furious with it. :|
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Re: Red Cliff (Film) Discussion Thread

Unread postby Han » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:32 pm

Historically, it is like 1/3 min to 1/6 max.
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Re: Red Cliff (Film) Discussion Thread

Unread postby Sun Fin » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:18 pm

That's very true Han. And thats how the majority of the people in our community are going to judge it (myself included) because our passion is the history. However the West wasn't the movie's primary audience and as far as I can tell the vast majority of China don't give a damn about historical accuracy. I'd followed this thread before I watched it so went in with expectations that it wouldn't be historically accurate but could be fun. With that mind frame I enjoyed it. That said I would love a historically accurate big budget movie! :lol:
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Re: Red Cliff (Film) Discussion Thread

Unread postby Han » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:09 am

Agreed. It was a very enjoyable movie.
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