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Ma Chao and Zhao Yun

Unread postPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:12 am
by Jebusrocks
I was playin ROTK to see the default General Status to see that Ma Chao was a higher echoleon than Zhao Yun?? first of all is this true?? If it was, then a general who has been serving Liu Bei and saved the second emperor (which is the emperor that is currently in control) from death has a lower status than a general who just joined Liu Shan??

Unread postPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:14 am
by Kong Wen
What do you mean by higher echelon, and what RTK game are you playing? Sometimes stuff in these games is based on things like stats / deeds accumulated through gameplay, so things like ranks can get pretty mixed up.

Unread postPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:16 am
by Jimayo
It's true.

Unread postPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:29 am
by Jimayo
Kong Wen wrote:What do you mean by higher echelon, and what RTK game are you playing? Sometimes stuff in these games is based on things like stats / deeds accumulated through gameplay, so things like ranks can get pretty mixed up.


He's talking about ranks Kong Wen. Ma Chao held a much higher rank than Zhao Yun did.

Unread postPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:33 am
by Jebusrocks
Kong Wen wrote:What do you mean by higher echelon, and what RTK game are you playing? Sometimes stuff in these games is based on things like stats / deeds accumulated through gameplay, so things like ranks can get pretty mixed up.

I mean ranks (General of the Flying Calvalry etc)
ROTK 11 is wat im playin

Unread postPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:20 am
by Jimayo
jebusrocks wrote:
Kong Wen wrote:What do you mean by higher echelon, and what RTK game are you playing? Sometimes stuff in these games is based on things like stats / deeds accumulated through gameplay, so things like ranks can get pretty mixed up.

I mean ranks (General of the Flying Calvalry etc)
ROTK 11 is wat im playin


It's true. Zhao Yun was the lowest ranked of the "5 tiger generals".

Unread postPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:56 pm
by Shadowlink
but in rtk X he was the 3rd one and ma chao was the 4th

Unread postPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:01 pm
by Long
5 Tigers:

First: Guan Yu
Second: Zhang Fei
Third: Ma Chao
Fourth: Zhao Yun
Fifth: Huang Zhong

Ma Chao was considered a higher rank for several reasons.
First was that Ma Chao came from an already established family, thus it was only proper for him being of noble birth, to have a higher rank. Secondly, I think I read somewhere that Liu Bei gave him accolades to honor his father whom Liu was allied with. Thirdly was that Liu Bei greatly admired Ma Chao, and was willing to do what it took to get him to serve. Ma Chao also had ties with the Qiangs which could've weighed

Unread postPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:22 pm
by Kong Wen
Ma Chao also had quite a bit of military service (with his father and elsewhere) before he joined Liu Bei, whereas Zhao Yun hadn't served as much as a front-ranks general.

Unread postPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:20 pm
by Niahak
Wasn't there also the fact that while Zhao Yun saved Liu Shan's life, he also brought about (inadvertently) the death of Lady Mi, Liu Bei's wife?

I recall a note from Moss Roberts to the effect that he wasn't allowed in the Liu shrine, unlike the other generals.