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Zhuge Liang's Han Xin

Unread postby Jimayo » Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:40 pm

IMO Zhuge Liang is equivalent to both Xiao He and Zhang Liang, but was no Han Xin, and shouldn't of tried.

Who could of been Zhuge Liang's Han Xin?

Possibilities:

Wang Ping, Zhang Yi, Li Yan, Xiang Chong, perhaps, Wei Yan.
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Unread postby Gabriel » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:21 pm

Pang Tong, if he had lived of course. Out of people still around, Zhao Yun. He had the experience and respect. He possessed leadership and with the help of advisors he may have done an ok job. He'd only be able to lead one campaign, but that's all they should need.
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Unread postby Jimayo » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:20 pm

Liang Shuo wrote:Pang Tong, if he had lived of course. Out of people still around, Zhao Yun. He had the experience and respect. He possessed leadership and with the help of advisors he may have done an ok job. He'd only be able to lead one campaign, but that's all they should need.


I dunno. Zhao Yun didn't show he had any tactical ability.
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Unread postby Exar Kun » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:32 pm

Wang Ping or Wei Yan.
Although tbh I don't think either really deserve to be called "his Han Xin". While Zhuge has legit comparative qualities to Xiao He and even Zhang Liang I don't think anyone from his northern campaign period really was good or potentially good enough to be a Han Xin.

I'd say Guan Yu or Zhang Fei would have been serious candidates but they were long dead by the time Zhuge began taking the helm of military ops.
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Unread postby Jimayo » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:43 am

Exar Kun wrote:Wang Ping or Wei Yan.
Although tbh I don't think either really deserve to be called "his Han Xin". While Zhuge has legit comparative qualities to Xiao He and even Zhang Liang I don't think anyone from his northern campaign period really was good or potentially good enough to be a Han Xin.

I'd say Guan Yu or Zhang Fei would have been serious candidates but they were long dead by the time Zhuge began taking the helm of military ops.


That's why I'd posit perhaps Li Yan or Xiang Chong. Highly praised by Liu Bei but not used by Zhuge Liang, and we know who's a better judge of talent between those two, so maybe they had the ability and never had a chance to show it.
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Unread postby damon » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:47 am

I am going to name a few underdogs that might raise a few eyebrows but I am re-reading TK and so I am thinking about the parts I am coming across. As there seems to be no bio for Wang Fu or Zhao Lei, I am just going to have to recite from the book that they insisted Guan Yu retreat instead of holing up at Mai in Jingzhou as Wu advanced. They seemed adept commanders when fighting against Wu in the sense that they foresaw disaster as well as managed to even survive.

Zhang Ni has seen quite a bit of combat with great successes and few losses between the southern expidition into Nanman and the Northern Campaigns against Wei. He seems adept as a general but with little guile, I would say he is a great general as long as he followed Zhuge Liang's orders.

A lot of suggestions here will be officers who weren't so big in the novel as, obviously, Zhuge Liang had no Han Xin.
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Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:33 am

Zhang Yi, Wang Ping or my outside choice, Peng Yang, considered as good as Pang Tong/Fa Zheng so Zhuge Liang got him killed. Brilliant :wink:
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Unread postby Gabriel » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:00 am

Did Peng Yang exist historically? And Fa Zheng's overrated, so saying Peng's as good as him isn't saying much.
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Unread postby Jimayo » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:22 am

Liang Shuo wrote:Did Peng Yang exist historically? And Fa Zheng's overrated, so saying Peng's as good as him isn't saying much.


And Pang Tong's rep is justified how?
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Unread postby Gabriel » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:27 am

The invasion of Yizhou. It was all him (for the most part) up until he died, and even if you don't want to give him as much credit as he deserves he still did more then Fa Zheng.
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