Sun Gongli wrote:Quan's fortes were defensive battles and administration. While Liu Bei was known for benevolence, his political ability didn't match Sun Quan's. Militarily, Liu Bei was better at attacking, but at the end of his career, his pride got the best of him. Even at his most disastrous loss at Hefei, Sun Quan had lost a multitude of troops only to plague, not to any enemy actions like Liu Bei did. And Sun Quan's losses at Hefei never set back Wu's military abilities like Yiling did for Liu Bei, so perhaps Sun Quan's caution gave him the edge in his respect, though again, Liu Bei was a bit more successful.
In addition, most of Liu Bei's early victories were merely successful attempts at retreating, such as Changban. It was once Liu Bei got a hold of Zhuge Liang that he began to win more decisive battles. However, there was no battle in South Jing - Liu Bei led troops into the area, and Han Xuan, Jin Xuan, etc. all immediately surrendered.
LiuBeiwasGreat wrote:A few minor things, a large part of Liu Bei's losses at Yi Ling was due to the landslide, militarily he took quite a few losses in that battle but he was always ok up until the landslide which ended any chance of a counterattack and routed his forces.
Liu Bei had several decisive victories early in his career but they were mainly defensive.(first battle at Xu, first battle at Ru Nan, and Bo Wang) Also there was a battle in southern Jing. Jin Xuan didn't surrender and fought Liu Bei and was defeated. He was then captured and Liu Bei executed him. It was after that did the rest of the local administraters surrender.
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