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Who can beat Lu Bu?

Unread postby Seraph » Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:27 am

During the Three Kingdoms era was there anyone who could beat Lu Bu in a duel? Even people after Lu Bu's death. If not, what about the entire history of Imperial China and who would be the next best?

Also, how good was Lu Bu historically? Was he still the best fighter?
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Re: Who can beat Lu Bu?

Unread postby Jordan » Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:39 am

Seraph wrote:During the Three Kingdoms era was there anyone who could beat Lu Bu in a duel? Even people after Lu Bu's death. If not, what about the entire history of Imperial China and who would be the next best?

Also, how good was Lu Bu historically? Was he still the best fighter?


Someone on Koei Forums quoted a source which stated that Lu Bu once dueled with Guo Si when Lu Bu was fighting against Guo Si/Li Jue. If I remember correctly, Sun Gongli of this forum was in on the discussion on that, so maybe he can back me up on this one. Lu Bu bested Guo Si in combat, but did not land the finishing blow on Guo Si because several of Guo Si's riders came up and rescued their lord.

Other than that, there's not much historical information about Lu Bu's hand-to-hand combat related feats, nor is there much information about most of the three kingdom characters' hand-to-hand combat feats. The few other duels that are recorded from the era were between Sun Ce and Taishi Ci, Guan Yu and Yan Liang and maybe some other group of famous fighters who I'm forgetting...
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Unread postby Seraph » Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:51 am

In the novel, was anyone tougher?
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Unread postby Kong Wen » Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:24 am

Seraph wrote:In the novel, was anyone tougher?

A lot of people like to argue about who could have beaten Lü Bu and who might have been stronger than him, etc.

Given his record in the novel, I think we can safely surmise that no one could have beaten him in his prime, but that there were several fighters who would have been about on par with his ability. He fights to a draw with Zhang Fei twice, and he fights to a draw with Zhang Fei, Guan Yu, and Liu Bei at the same time (this last multi-person duel is one of the reasons people think Zhang Fei or Guan Yu on their own couldn't beat him).

He also duelled Xu Chu to a draw. Xu Chu fought to draws against Dian Wei, Xu Huang, and Zhao Yun. There are a number of other duels between these guys and other famous generals, too, but most of the evidence seems to suggest that Lü Bu could beat them or at least draw with them.

So in terms of pure fighting ability, it's doubtful that anyone else, even from after Lü Bu's death, would have been able to eclipse him.
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Unread postby hconew » Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:34 am

In my opinion, no-one at that time could've defeated and killed him.

I think that many great, allied generals fighting him together would do the job, similar to Kong Wen's opinion. Liu Bei, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei defeated him.

But after all, it says in the novel,
"As fierce as tigers soldiers be,
Battles are won by strategy"
:arrow: I like that one. :wink:
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Unread postby Seraph » Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:39 am

How about in the entire history of China before guns? Was there a warrior who had a reputation like Lu Bu and could beat him?
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Unread postby Sun Gongli » Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:56 am

Xiang Yu comes to mind, though Xiang Yu was more feared for his military prowess as well, something that Lu Bu was only competent in.
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Unread postby Rastafarian » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:23 pm

no one can beat lu bu in one in one duel , zhang fei should be dead if his brothers valued about honor of one-in-one duel ..
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Unread postby Dong Zhou » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:53 pm

Which is more honoruble Rastafarian? Letting your brother die and the alliance fail or helping your brother win and so defeat the greatest tratior to the Han since Wang Mang?
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Unread postby Shadowlink » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:56 pm

Rastafarian wrote:no one can beat lu bu in one in one duel , zhang fei should be dead if his brothers valued about honor of one-in-one duel ..
Lu Bu Master can beat lu bu in a 1 on 1 duel. I remember reading a folktale about his master. I wonder if he had any...
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