James wrote:You know… this is very interesting…
Omid wrote:Pi Ka Chu wrote:Omid wrote:I do wonder; did Japan have any kind of conflict with China during the 3 kingdoms period?
They had contacts. Look up Yayoi in wikipedia. It speaks of the Wa/Wo islander queen Himiko.
Interesting, I found this:
''A woman, known as Himiko in Japanese, ruled an early political federation known as Yamatai, which flourished during the 3rd century. While Himiko reigned as spiritual leader, her younger brother carried out affairs of state, which included diplomatic relations with the court of the Chinese Kingdom of Wei (220–265).
When asked of their origins by the Wei embassy, the people of Wa claimed to be descendants of King Taibo of Wu, a historic figure who founded the first Wu Kingdom (吳國) around the Yangtze Delta of China. (Original Chinese from the Records of Wei: 「倭人自謂太伯之後」.).''
This looks like it but then again, I wonder here whether the relation between Wei and Himiko changed once it turned into the Jin Kingdom.
Sorry for ambush-quoting you, Omid! I wanted to give this discussion some extra visibility (though I think many people do enjoy the Trieu Au thread). Has anyone heard more about Himiko’s relation to the Three Kingdoms, to what extent it was fact and to what extent it was fiction, and if that relation extended beyond the Wei government and period?
It's an honor actually.
But Himiko was very interresting a female ruler of Yamataikoku region and she was known as Pimiku.
It's pretty interresting how they make a fictional character out of her while I know that she really existed in some records though there are exceptions. I put my refference to the Samguk Sagi whereas Historians have approved this information about the 3 kingdoms period is on a bias level towards to Chinese chronicles as read.
''Though Kim Busik was apparently ignorant of, or scoffed at quoting, Japanese histories, he lifts generously from the Chinese dynastic chronicles and even unofficial Chinese records, most prominently the Wei shu 魏書 (Book of Wei), Sanguo Zhi 三國志, Jin Shu 晉書, Jiu Tangshu 舊唐書 (Old history of Tang), Xin Tangshu 新唐書 (New history of Tang), and the Zizhi Tongjian 資治通鑑 (Comprehensive mirror for aid in government).
Some modern historians are critical of the records provided in the Samguk Sagi, citing a bias towards China and the Silla''
I don't really understand this Kim Busik guy for his biasness though.
Mistelten wrote:Maybe if Wei would have won there would have been more foreign diplomacy or conquests. I think Wei was the most atypical of all the Three Kingdoms in that they formed relations with a country that wasn't in their immediate sphere of influence.
An interesting thing about Himiko is how Japan went from a matriarchal country in the 3rd century to being the exact opposite in time.
Why do you think that?
And of course being female is pretty interesting in Japan and of course that China actually was open for diplomacy even though they didn't have unified the land. I wonder though; could Wei get support if they were about to be finished by Wu & Shu? I know it isn't possible but think of it, would they get aid from outside China?
