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Why does Everyone Hate Sun Ce?

Unread postby Jedi » Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:06 am

I have Notised that almost everyone on this Forem Hates Sun Ce but likes Sun quan I want to know why.
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Unread postby Jordan » Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:27 am

That's not true. Many people think the opposite of that; they like Sun Ce but dislike Sun Quan. Talk to Sun Gongli. He likes Sun Ce and knows a great deal about him (and Wu/the Three Kingdoms as a whole for that matter).
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Unread postby Kongming's Prodigy » Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:56 am

Wrong place to be asking this question, Jedi.
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Unread postby James » Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:16 pm

Moved to SGYYS—
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Unread postby Kittn » Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:52 am

Sun Ce is the sun, the moon, AND the stars. <3

Well... actually, I think he was really impressive and I think Sun Quan had a little more growing up to do... :/
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Unread postby Shadowlink » Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:09 am

I prefer Sun Ce over Sun quan, He kind of reminds me of a little cao cao who knows how to use people
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Unread postby Terranigma Freak » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:33 pm

People hate Sun Ce because he's an arrogant bastard. At least that's what I got from other people. The man was jealous of Yu Ji and decided to kill him just for the heck of it. Me, I'm neutural on Sun Ce. He's had quite a bit of success, but he let's his ego get in his way. Good warlord, bad ruler.

Of course that is assuming people hate the novel Sun Ce and not the historical one. If they hate the historical one, then even I have no clue why they hate him. Maybe they just hate Wu.
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Unread postby Sun Gongli » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:53 pm

I hardly think that killing ONE MYSTIC qualifies as a "bad ruler." If you look in the novel, Sun Ce was actually quite the opposite of arrogant - just somewhat paranoid. After all, if you look at the novel, there are many people who rush to join Sun Ce of their own free will, such as Zhou Tai, Jiang Qin, Chen Wu, Dong Xi, Yu Fan, and Ling Cao.

I mean, honestly. The number of "dead innocents" to Sun Ce's credit is one. You can't call him tyrannical simply because of one execution. Cao Cao executed Kong Rong and many, MANY others and killed the commonfolk of Xu. Liu Bei executed Zhong Yu and executed Yang Huai and Gao Pei - who came to say goodbye to him, not kill him - when he could have easily allowed them to live. Sun Ce - who treats the peasants well and attracts new talents - kills one mystic and suddenly he's egotistical.
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Unread postby Shadowlink » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:57 pm

yup he attracted zhou yu, zhou tai, taishi ci and lefted sun quan in good hands
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Unread postby The Flash » Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:26 am

Sun Ce was a hot headed back stabbing traitor, who betrayed his lord once he saw it fit to his advantage. At least historywise. Novelwise he was just as pigheaded as daddy dearest and messed with all the wrong people towards the end of his life.
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