DAv wrote:He did seem to be a moral man. But constantly had to go back on them to survive. If he hadn't been so caught up with his morals early on, he may have challenged Cao Cao much sooner.
JamesD wrote:DAv wrote:He did seem to be a moral man. But constantly had to go back on them to survive. If he hadn't been so caught up with his morals early on, he may have challenged Cao Cao much sooner.
To my knowledge in history, Liu bei is worse in history than the novel gives him credit for. He was a known betrayer.
Liu Bei did not have a negative reputation to anyone except his enemies.
cao cao#1 wrote:Liu Bei did not have a negative reputation to anyone except his enemies.
Ofcourse you would say that I mean come on your name is liubeiwasgreat![]()
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I think he was somewhere in between a honorable man but did not hesitate to sway away from his believes when either in danger or if a oppurtunity arrises.Like the whole Lu Bu thing Liu bei pleading to cao cao to kill him and the taking JinZhou ( I think) andnot handing it back .
He wasn't really considered to be a "known betrayer" as a matter of fact during most of his career he was known to be a very honorable man. It is seen when Guo Jia and Xun Yu suggest to Cao Cao that he kill Liu Bei when Lu Bu drove Liu Bei to Cao Cao. Cao Cao said that he wouldn't kill Liu Bei because he was a known hero and people would lose respect for Cao Cao if he killed a man like Liu Bei.
When Lu Su was telling Sun QUan to ally with Liu Bei against Co Cao he was basing this off Liu Bei's reputation.
When Fa Zheng and Zhang Song were convincing Liu Zhang to bring Liu Bei in to fight Zhang Lu for him it was because of his grand reputation.
Liu Bei did not have a negative reputation to anyone except his enemies.
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