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The true reason Cao Cao attacked Wu at Chibi

Unread postPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:55 pm
by Jedi
So what do you guys think?

Unread postPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:56 pm
by Jedi
OOPs I forgot to put the 3rd one in can a Mod plz put in he wanted the Qiao Sisters to the Poll?

Unread postPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:49 pm
by suntzu626
Cao Cao is always one to think politicaly. He wouldnt spend military resorces just to kill one man or posses two women. They could be spent elsewhere, like Shu or Yi. Cao Cao wanted all of the Wu nation.

Unread postPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:53 pm
by Baiko Arashi
well to get wu he probally would of had to kill sun quan...im going to say it was because he wanted wu

Unread postPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:52 am
by LiuBeiwasGreat
I think it was more of a statement that warlords will not be tolerated. governors must accept central rule and cannot act on their own accord. If they act on their own their loyalty cannot be relied upon.

Unread postPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:18 am
by Banishing Blade
LiuBeiwasGreat wrote:I think it was more of a statement that warlords will not be tolerated. governors must accept central rule and cannot act on their own accord. If they act on their own their loyalty cannot be relied upon.


AFAIK, China always had a problem with independent warlords. Around 208 AD, if my memory serves correctly, Cao Cao possessed quite a chunk of northern China. At the same time, Ma Teng posed a threat on Cao Cao's flank, while Sun Quan resided in the south with (I'd assume) a larger and well-fortified force. Why go after Sun Quan and risk a major defeat if you could subdue the likes of Ma Teng with much less effort?

Personally, I believe Cao Cao wanted the lands of Wu for himself. It made the most sense at the time -- Ma Teng could be defended against, whilst opportunity presented itself in the south should Cao Cao be able to capture it. The problem was, he didn't.

The whole Qiao incident might have been correct had this been a SGYY discussion -- I vaguely remember it being mentioned in the novel. However, realistically... I can't honestly picture an intelligent man like Cao Cao wasting precious resources over two beautiful women. Outnumbered, he managed a victory over the Yuans in the north -- it's doubtful he'd risk a large part of his force for two women.

Unread postPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:31 pm
by Terranigma Freak
The Qiao part in SSYY is a joke from Zhuge Liang. He mentions the "two Qiaos" in Cao Zhi's poem being the wife of Sun Cer and Zhou Yu. It was actually a word play of "bridge" on the bronze bird tower. Remember Cao Zhi's original idea to connect the 3 towers with 2 bridges? The word bridge is basically pronounced as "Qiao". ZGL did that to piss off Zhou Yu.

In the story, Cao Cao DID mention the getting to two Qiaos to himself, but that had nothing to do with the poem. Cao Cao only mentioned it once in the entire story.

Unread postPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:12 pm
by Jordan
He wanted to kill Liu Bei, I think. Otherwise why would he ask Sun Quan to surrender?

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:11 am
by Zhang Liao17
Moving to Sanguo Yanyi Symposium...

Unread postPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:42 am
by Son of Dragon
That's funny, these options mean nothing
Cao Cao is a governer. He will never launch a war just for kill one man. He attack Wu because he pursues Liu Bei and attack by the way.