Sean wrote:I don't think that Liu Bei could've survived a fight between him and Ji Ling/Yuan Shu, so I think that's one favor for Lu Bu.
But remember that Lu Bu took Liu Bei's castle from under Liu Bei's feet, so that takes away his favor. Liu Bei's only course of action would be to take back what was his, so he joined with Cao Cao. There's no fault in that.
They were even in the end, but it's mostly Lu Bu's fault for taking the castle.
Shi Tong wrote:I think that during these times, people needed to do what they thought was for the common good rather than what was good for themselves- and I dont think that Lu Bu was out to do anything for the common good.
Shi Tong wrote:The thing about Lu Bu's death is that Liu Bei had to remind Cao Cao of his track record. If Cao didn't value Liu Bei's opinion, or Liu Bei wasn't Cao Cao's ally at the time then I dont know if Lu Bu would have been killed because Cao Cao would have wanted to use him.
Shi Tong wrote:Concider how important it was to serve faithfully those who you were employed by and called your lord, then concider that Lu Bu broke that promise several times...
Shi Tong wrote:I dont think that Lu Bu would have been easily controlled by Cao Cao- remember that Lu Bu killed Ding Yuan for a better position (he wanted promotion) and once he'd killed Dong Zhou he was also given higher position. I understand that the run up to the death of Dong Zhou that Lu Bu was driven by other forces (in the novel especially), but I think that Lu Bu should have had more faith in Dong Zhou and Ding Yuan because he'd declared both of them were his step fathers (I think historically this didn't happen with Dong Zhou, but I'm not sure).
I think that Cao should have been worried about his own neck- and Liu Bei probably saved it because he was the one being faithful to Cao Cao.
Mao Zonggang wrote:There are some who hold the view that Xuande, knowing the fate of Ding Yuan and Dong Zhuo, should have tried to persuade Cao Cao to retain Lü Bu. I disagree. Cao was a far different sort from Zhuo and Yuan. He would have known how to make use of Bu and guard against him at the same time. Xuande would only have been augmenting Cao's strength.
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