Rate this General: Xu Huang

[Mistelten]

Pros: Honorable and loyal to the emperor. Even though he became a regular vassal of Wei, he never displayed any unreasonably ambitious traits.

Cons: Maybe sees expediency as better than purity, as he was fighting for Wei long after the emperor was well subverted.

Also, perhaps he died because he was unwilling to take initiative and took a straightforward attack, resulting in death by arrow.

[MarvelousLingTong!!!!!!]

Pros: Honorable and loyal to the emperor. Even though he became a regular vassal of Wei, he never displayed any unreasonably ambitious traits.

Cons: Maybe sees expediency as better than purity, as he was fighting for Wei long after the emperor was well subverted.

Also, perhaps he died because he was unwilling to take initiative and took a straightforward attack, resulting in death by arrow.

I'm pretty sure he only died by being shot to death in the novel. Is this rating him novel-wise?

[Gabriel]

I'm pretty sure he was shot to death in real life, or at least died from an arrow wound. He's a great general in my opinion. Not as good as Zhang He or Deng Ai but up there.

[Wo Long]

I'm pretty sure he was shot to death in real life, or at least died from an arrow wound. He's a great general in my opinion. Not as good as Zhang He or Deng Ai but up there.

I thought the SGZ said he died of illness...

But otherwise, I'd rate him in the top five of Wei's officers. The only people better than him in my opinion were Xu Chu(who he fought to a draw) and Zhang Liao(who had great feats at He Fei, but Xu Huang did at Fan Castle as well). He is undoubtedly my favorite Wei officer. His skill with a battle-ax was incredible and his talent in tactics and utilizing troops was outstanding. Even Mengde said he was a match fo Sunzi.

[Gabriel]

I thought I read somewhere that he died while fighting Meng Da... could be wrong, but I don't completley trust his SGZ. Anyway, you must not have a high view of him if you think he's only as good as Xu Chu and Zhang Liao. Don't get me wrong now, Xu Chu was a good um, bodyguard, but that's pretty much it. And Zhang Liao's as overrated as they come.

[MarvelousLingTong!!!!!!]

I thought I read somewhere that he died while fighting Meng Da... could be wrong, but I don't completley trust his SGZ. Anyway, you must not have a high view of him if you think he's only as good as Xu Chu and Zhang Liao. Don't get me wrong now, Xu Chu was a good um, bodyguard, but that's pretty much it. And Zhang Liao's as overrated as they come.

Xu Huang died fighting Meng Da in the novel, and Zhang Liao isn't as overrated as they come I could name some others, but I won't for arguements sake. Anyways I think Xu Huang is one of the greatest generals of Wei, and possibly the era.

[Sun Gongli]

Xu Huang = dead of illness. I don't believe Meng Da had anything to do with it.

[Waking Dragon]

Pros: Honorable and loyal to the emperor. Even though he became a regular vassal of Wei, he never displayed any unreasonably ambitious traits.

Yes, in history Xu Huang was a very respectful and effective general. Though he defected to Wei, he physically betrayed no one. All he did was try to persuade his fellow officer Yang Feng to join, and I don't believe Huang was the one who told Cao that Feng was going to snatch back the emperor (I believe Cao saw through it himself?)

From then on, Xu Huang took part in every major campaign Cao established and he performed well in ALL of them. One that really amazed me was when the campaign against Yuan Shao. Those who were defending Yiyang surrendered at first but changed their mind.

Xu Huang seeing through this, knew the enemy had doubts so he wrote a letter of persuasion and fired it into the city on an arrow. The city was won over and he conquered it without any bloodshed.

Cons: Maybe sees expediency as better than purity, as he was fighting for Wei long after the emperor was well subverted.

Well I mean under the circumstances he was in where Cao personally went to Luo Yang to escort the emporer to Xu Chang, what could he have done? He served under Yang Feng yes and was loyal, but what was he supposed to do when Feng abandoned Li Jue becoming independant?

Would he want to go through all that hassle or would he just want to join an established and known power, in this case Cao Cao? Though Feng did fight Cao for power, he lost. So Xu's best choice was to join Cao Cao.

Also, perhaps he died because he was unwilling to take initiative and took a straightforward attack, resulting in death by arrow.

Wait, when Cao Rui took over, he sent Xu Huang to defend Xiangyang against Wu invasion. He died of SICKNESS the same year, ohh - you're talking ROTK, that is why.

-Mo

[Zoh]

His one of the few generals that i out and out respect.

He was a man of valor and strength, and no Meng De had nothing to do with Xu Huangs death, he simply fell sick like previously mentioned