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Pang Tong's Death

Unread postby Tuskininny » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:50 am

In the introduction of the Three Kingdoms it says that Pang Tong did not die at Luofeng Hill. When and where did Pang Tong die?
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Unread postby James » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:24 pm

He was hit by a stray arrow, and died, in the following siege.
My memory fails me as to exactly what location that was…
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Unread postby Dong Zhou » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:43 pm

I think it was at Lou Cheng.
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Unread postby James » Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:08 pm

That sounds quite familiar.
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Unread postby Jordan » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:34 am

Yes. Pang Tong led an attack on Luo city while Liu Bei was besieging it. He was hit by an arrow (meh...I don't like the usage of the word stray arrow because it sounds like an ally or somebody not in the fight could have shot it but I think he died from an arrow shot from an enemy archer's bowstring) and died there. I think the book overexaggerates his death a little bit as I don't believe that most of his force was massacred or anything along that line. On the other hand, Liu Bei was hard pressed at Luo and it took him over a year to finally capture it.
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Unread postby GuoJia122 » Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:55 pm

Pang Tong didn't die by a stray arrow but died by and ambush in Fallen Phoenix Hill or ridge, somtehing like that. But he was ambushed by What's his face and shot by crossbowmen when he led his troops throught the ridge.
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Unread postby Jordan » Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:13 am

According to the novel, Pang Tong died the way you described Guo Jia. Zhang Ren ambushed him at Fallen Phoenix Slope. Historically however he fell during the Siege of Luo.
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Unread postby Po Hsing » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:47 am

The historical mode of death actually surprises me quite a bit.

It would seem incredible that a strategist, who usually tends to stay behind the lines would be killed by an arrow. Unless of course, it was a rout situation where the enemy went into the Liu Bei camp.
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Unread postby Sun Gongli » Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:08 am

Po Hsing wrote:The historical mode of death actually surprises me quite a bit.

It would seem incredible that a strategist, who usually tends to stay behind the lines would be killed by an arrow. Unless of course, it was a rout situation where the enemy went into the Liu Bei camp.


Pang Tong actually was not just a strategist. While he wasn't a front-lines commander like, say, Zhao Yun or Sun Ce, he wasn't the kind to hang at the rear like Zhuge Liang either. There was probably a massive enemy volley (you can send arrows quite far). Anyone could've gotten hit; Pang Tong happened to be one of them.
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Unread postby GuoJia122 » Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:38 pm

What Po Hsing wrote was quite surprising. I never read the historical way Pang Tong died and only the Novel. But Pang Tong probably died from many Volleys of Arrows being shot down during the Siege of Luo. If Not Wrong Number
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