Ma Meng Han wrote:The emperor is the closest thing Liu Bei has for a relative.
What more could he ask for?
He really doesn't need relatives when he's got the charisma to make everyone call him "brother".
Shi Tong wrote:Hold on a second, Liu Bei had Zhang Fei and Guan Yu's familes to aid him.
Does nobody remember Guan Ping, Zhang Bao, Guan Xing, Guan So, and the others? There was even a large battle with Zhang Bao and Guan Xing who said they had the same brotherhood ties that Liu Bei, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei had in the peach garden.
The Xia Hou family had Xia Hou Dun and his brother, but not really many others of strong ability like those two.
I guess for family members Liu Bei didn't really have anyone, but the families surrounding him (ala Xia Hou) were all strong and confident allies.
Shi Tong wrote:Well, the initial question wasn't about weather or not Liu Bei had clan members and family ties at the beginning of the novel, the question was weather or not he had anyone, and my argument was that he did.
Surely it's obvious that these people came later in his life (Zhang Bao, Guan Xing, Guan Ping etc), that's probably why it was easier later on for Liu Bei when he had more allies.
Liu Bei got his following through popular support instead of family ties and it probably helped to have the emperor's blessing.
Though there isn't any "historical" evidence, this thread doesn't actually say that it's historical, so I included Guan Suo. I also included Zhang Fei and Guan Yu because weather or not they historically took a peach garden oath, they certainly were on Liu Bei's side and never (with excepetion of Guan Yu and his capture by Cao) left his side to aid him.
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