I think that people who are anti-Guan Yu too often assume that Guan Yu was bad just because the historical Guan Yu's counter-part was not as great as the Guan Yu presented in the novel.
Foolish pride caused him to underestimate his enemies.
Shi Tong wrote:I think that people who are anti-Guan Yu too often assume that Guan Yu was bad just because the historical Guan Yu's counter-part was not as great as the Guan Yu presented in the novel.
I agree with this, since the folk lore and legends surrounding him are too much for anyone to live up to. This goes for Zhuge Liang and a few other characters in SGYY who LGZ tries to make look supernatural in their powers in the novel.
To those who dont think much of Zhuge, just because the fact that the legend of the empty city and Chi Bi's borrowing of the East Wind aren't true, that doesn't take away from his achivements, militarily, politically and morally in Shu.
I think this also goes very much for Guan Yu, and one could argue that Guan Yu was almost as important to Shu's sucess as Zhuge is- since Zhuge was prime minister and controled the politics in Shu's capital Cheng Du- one has to realise that Guan Yu had complete control of Jing and controlled it almost single handedly. This is really no mean feat, and even though he was defeated, one can also argue that there was a good chance for him to suceed, and dispite his eventual defeat, he still actually governed Jing for a long time before his downfall.
Shi Tong wrote:Foolish pride caused him to underestimate his enemies.
Did it? I'm not so sure- Guan Yu was lied to by Wu's advisers (mainly Lu Meng) who pretended that he was supporting Guan Yu's advance on Wei. Lets not forget that even though Guan Yu rejected Sun Quan's offer of marriage to one of his daughters, Shu and Wu had had a long relationship in alliance to attack Wei together.
In Guan Yu's mind, he must have thought that Wu and Shu were allies still. Even though there was tention over Jing after Chi Bi, Sun Quan of Wu and Liu Bei of Shu still formed an alliance between themselves, and agreed that their target was Wei. Why then, would Guan Yu think the opposite?
Guan Yu, therefore only thought he had one target, and only realised that he had two once it was too late.
Though Guan Yu was proud, I dont think you could call him foolish, someone who was so sucessful politically and militarily, so trusted and loved by his leaders, allies and men cannot be foolish, though he can make a mistake, after all, he was only a man!
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Wo Long wrote:Yeah, it bugs me aswell that people always seem to be anti-Guan or anti-Zhuge simply because the historical people can't live up to Guanzhong's mythology. I still think Zhuge Liang was the best strategist and Guan Yu was one of Shu's most able officers(Zhao Yun gets #1 in my book).
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