I remember writing something about him when I first joined, and the plain and simple fact is that Coa Coa had such a diverce range of officers, that when you compare Cao Ren to the others, the likes of Xu Chu and Huang are always going to look better, due to the amount f duels they have in the novel, and the fact they're van guard commanders. I think Xiahou Dun is very similar to Cao Ren, in the fact that he wasn't the most attacking general, but deserves alot of credit for his contributions. Cao Ren was a good fighter, and the best defensive general in the whole period. The fact that he lost Jing to Shu was due to him facing one nermy and the other sneaking up behind him. I would class him with Zhang Liao, Dun and Xu Huang
Zhang Liao-----------"Oh its more than we could have asked for"
Is it me or does that sound more like a Zhang He saying!!