Cao Cao and Zhuge Liang

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Who's the true loyal servant?

Cao Cao
Zhuge Liang
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Unread postby TheRealWolfman » Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:29 pm

Ah, did the wife try to do something? So bascially Cao Cao acted as Dong Zhuo toward the emperor.
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Unread postby Hubsta » Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:08 pm

Personally I don't think Cao had an inch of loyalty in him. I think he acted only for himself, and simply used the emporer as a means of getting what he wanted.
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Unread postby Sun Gongli » Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:22 am

I think that Cao Cao's main concern was unifying the land. He did not care for either titles or loyalty to the Han - he was a pragmatist, and he did what would be most beneficial for his goal. He didn't take the Imperial title because it would have done him no good - it would have only made Sun Quan and Liu Bei both oppose him far more fervently than before. I wouldn't say he was selfish for not being totally loyal to the Han - in my opinion, the Han had pretty much run its course (though Sun Ce was right when he said that Emperor Xian had committed no crime).
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Unread postby Shadowlink » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:53 pm

Cao Cao was kind of loyal.. he didnt overthrow the han dynasty... his son Cao pi did.
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