Actually he was sorrowful if you read 3K here.Blackrazor wrote:Hey all.
Just wondering why Liu Bei is normally seen as a virtuous protagonist of the series, and why Luo Guozhang, Mao and others provide mostly a positive view of him and his men? After all, they did things that, had Cao Cao done them, would have been used as an example of villainy... For example : Xuande ate the butchered remains of a mans wife and when he found out, rather than be indignant at the wrongdoing, was full of praise for the man???
Hardly full of praise there, more shock and sorrow.ROTK wrote:(Chapter 19)
Liu Bei knew no better and ate his fill. Next day at daylight, just as Liu Bei was leaving, he went to the stables in the rear to get his horse and passing through the kitchen; he saw the dead body of a woman lying on the table. The flesh of one arm had been cut away. Quite startled he asked what this meant, and then he knew what he had eaten the night before. He was deeply sorry at this proof of his host's regard and the tears rained down as he mounted his steed at the gate.
Can you please state where you read this, I cant think I've seen that in SGZ or the 3K novel.Blackrazor wrote:And even with his generals : Guan Yu and Zhang Fei both butchered each others respective families (bar a few sisters-in-law) after the Peach Garden Accord in order to remove any ties to any other family other than the 3 Brothers...
Iain wrote:Can you please state where you read this, I cant think I've seen that in SGZ or the 3K novel.Blackrazor wrote:And even with his generals : Guan Yu and Zhang Fei both butchered each others respective families (bar a few sisters-in-law) after the Peach Garden Accord in order to remove any ties to any other family other than the 3 Brothers...
Reference Footnote wrote:In the TS, Xuande wants to take Liu An with him; but Liu An refuses, saying that he must care for his mother. Frightening though it is, this scene shows the readiness of a true brother to sacrifice his family to the cause. In the Shuo chang ci hua collection dating from the 1470's, 'Han Guan Suo zhuan' gives the following historical account of the formation of the brotherhood.After the three - Guan, Zhang and Liu Bei - had made their vows to Heaven in the temple of Jiang Ziya, Liu Bei said, 'I am without family. You both have old and young to worry about. Your concern might cause a change of heart.' Lord Guan replied : 'I shall join you, elder brother, after i have killed them.' Zhang Fei said : 'How could you kill your own? You kill mine, and i'll kill yours.' 'That is best,' Liu Bei said. The song goes :
Zhang Fei did not wait
with bronze blade firm in hand
he entered his brothers home
and killed the first he met
and then two more, but spared
his sister-in-law, Hu Dingjin.
Hu Dingjin bore Hua Guan Suo, Lord Guan's son. This character appears briefly in chapter 87. See CZL, p.19; also, Gail Oman King, The Story of Hua Guan Suo (Tempe : Center for Asian Studies, Arizona State University, 1989)
Dong Zhou wrote:The butchering is just a legend, I doubt it is true.
Niahak wrote:What Liu Bei wanted (by all appearances, if nothing else) was the restoration of the Han under the control of the Emperor... so he certainly had a motive to keep fighting as long as Cao Cao controlled the court and the Emperor.
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