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Unread postby Sun Gongli » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:49 pm

I've been compiling information from various sources, including SGZ bios, Generals of the South, and similar works. As such, I have come up with a very large and extensive Sun family tree.

Sun Zhong (name actually in doubt)
-Sun Jian (married to Lady Wu)
--Sun Ce (married to Lady Qiao)
---Sun Shao (adopted)
----Sun Yue
----Sun Kai
----Sun Yi
---Sun Shao
----Sun Feng
---Daughter of Sun Ce #1 (married to Lu Xun)
----Lu Yan
----Lu Kang (married to Lady Zhang)
-----Lu Yan
-----Lu Jing (married to Princess Sun, daughter of Sun He)
-----Lu Ji
-----Lu Mao
-----Lu Xuan
-----Lu Dan
---Daughter of Sun Ce #2 (married to Zhu Ji, son of Zhu Zhi)
---Daughter of Sun Ce #3 (married to Gu Shao)
----Gu Tan
----Gu Cheng
--Daughter of Sun Jian #1 (married to Pan Mi)
--Daughter of Sun Jian #2 (married to Hong Zi)
--Sun Quan (married to Ladies Xie, Xu (daughter of Xu Kun), Bu, Wang, Wang, Yuan (daughter of Yuan Shu), Pan, and Zhong)
---Sun Deng (married to Lady Zhou, daughter of Zhou Yu)
----Sun Fan
----Sun Ying
----Sun Xi
---Sun Lu (married to Lady Pan, granddaughter of Pan Jun)
---Sun He (married to Ladies He and Zhang)
----Sun Hao (married to Lady Teng, a woman of Teng Yin's clan, as well as Lady Zhang and Lady Wang)
-----Sun Jin
----Sun De
----Sun Qian
----Sun Jun
----Daughter of Sun He (married to Lu Jing)
---Sun Ba (married to Lady Liu, the granddaughter of Liu Yao)
----Sun Ji
----Sun Yi
---Sun Fen (married to Lady Yuan, daughter of Yuan Yao)
----Son of Sun Fen #1
----Son of Sun Fen #2
----Son of Sun Fen #3
----Son of Sun Fen #4
----Son of Sun Fen #5
---Sun Xiu (married to Lady Zhu, daughter of Zhu Ji)
----Sun Wan
----Son of Sun Xiu #2?
----Son of Sun Xiu #3?
----Son of Sun Xiu #4?
---Sun Liang (married to Lady Quan, relative of Quan Shang and Quan Cong)
---Sun Luban (married Zhou Xun, son of Zhou Yu; after Zhou Xun died, married Quan Cong)
---Sun Luyu (married Zhu Ju; after Zhu Ju died, marred Liu Zan)
--Sun Hu (adopted)
---Sun Zhu
---Sun Yi
---Sun Huan
---Sun Jun
----Sun Jian
----Sun Shen
-----Sun Cheng
--Sun Yi (married to Lady Xu)
---Sun Song
--Sun Kuang (married to Lady Cao, daughter of Cao Ren)
---Sun Tai
----Sun Xiu
-----Sun Jian
--Sun Lang
--Lady Sun (married to Liu Bei)

-Sun Qiang (twin brother of Sun Jian)
--Sun Ben
---Sun Lin
----Sun Miao
----Sun Lü
----Sun Shu
----Sun Zhen
----Sun Xie
----Sun Xin
---Sun An
---Sun Xi
---Sun Ji
---Sun En
---Daughter (married to Cao Zhang)
--Sun Fu
---Sun Xing
---Sun Zhao
---Sun Wei
---Sun Xin
---Daughter (married to Luo Tong)

-Sun Jing
--Sun Yu
---Sun Mi
---Sun Xi
---Sun Yao
---Sun Man
---Sun Hong
--Sun Hao
---Sun Chuo
----Sun Lin
----Sun Ju
----Sun En
----Sun Gan
----Sun Kai
---Sun Chao
---Sun Gong
----Sun Jun
-----Sun Lin
----Daughter (married to Quan Shang)
-----Daughter (married to Sun Liang)
--Sun Jiao
---Sun Yin
---Sun Xi
---Sun Zi
---Sun Yi
---Sun Mi
--Sun Huan
---Sun Cheng
---Sun Yi
---Sun Feng
---Daughter of Sun Huan #1 (married to Lü Ju, son of Lü Fan)
---Daughter of Sun Huan #2 (married to Teng Yin)
--Sun Qian

-Lady Sun (sister of Sun Jian, married to Xu Zhen)
--Xu Kun
---Lady Xu (married Sun Quan)

OTHER:
Wu Jing (Sun Jian's brother-in-law)
-Wu Fen
--Wu An
-Wu Qi
--Wu Xuan (Married to Lady Teng, Teng Yin's daughter)

Sun Xiang: A second cousin of Sun Jian who served Yuan Shu.

Aside from the names of Sun Fen's sons, I believe this is close to complete.
Last edited by Sun Gongli on Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:55 pm, edited 6 times in total.
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Unread postby Lady Wu » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:38 pm

Actually, there is a Sun family tree in KMA already under the family trees section on http://kongming.net/novel/

There is a bunch of revisions I want to make on it (such as the sisters of Sun Quan), but I don't have access to to the graphics file and I had lost my original text file, and I'd been too lazy to retype it all, and I don't know what's the best way to format it anyway.

If you have ideas on how to reformat the whole thing, though, and any extra additions, I'd be happy to type up what I have.

(BTW, there was only one Lady Wu that Sun Jian married (I should know :P), and I cannot find any historical support at all for Lady Sun being married/betrothed to Liu Zhang.)
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Unread postby Kong Wen » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:46 pm

If either of you wanted to use a text-based visual format (to make it easier to visualize relationships than simply a list), you could use the same kind of layout I used with my Cao/Xiahou family tree.

Granted, it's not as pretty as an image, but it's easier to create and it's better than nothing.
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Unread postby Sun Gongli » Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:19 pm

Lady Wu wrote:Actually, there is a Sun family tree in KMA already under the family trees section on http://kongming.net/novel/

There is a bunch of revisions I want to make on it (such as the sisters of Sun Quan), but I don't have access to to the graphics file and I had lost my original text file, and I'd been too lazy to retype it all, and I don't know what's the best way to format it anyway.

If you have ideas on how to reformat the whole thing, though, and any extra additions, I'd be happy to type up what I have.

(BTW, there was only one Lady Wu that Sun Jian married (I should know :P), and I cannot find any historical support at all for Lady Sun being married/betrothed to Liu Zhang.)


The mother of Sun Lang was Lady Wu's younger sister, I believe. Also, she has the Wu surname anyway (I remember reading that in at least more than one place). She may be a concubine, however, so I'll take her off.

Any more information on Lu Kang's descendants?

And Lady Wu, I appreciate your input. Perhaps we can put together a comprehensive guide to the Sun family with our information?
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Unread postby Lu Kang » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:39 pm

Lu Kang had 6 children.

Lu Yang and Lu Jing (Married to a Sun Princess) who died in the Jin Invasion of 280.

Lu Ji and Lu Mao who were renown poets and had great back and forth corresepondence which has been analyized greatly before.

Lu Xuan who there is hardly any info on.

And a third guy who was executed by Jin along with Lu Ji and Lu Mao in 303 for Lu Ji's failure to defend the capitol (after being forced into the military).
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Unread postby Lady Wu » Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:17 am

Lu Kang married the daughter of Zhang Cheng (Zhang Zhao's oldest son), who was wed to Zhuge Jin's daughter. Zhang Cheng and Ms. Zhuge had another daughter, who was married to Sun He (father of Sun Hao). The Sun princess that Lu Jing married was of their issue. (Taken from Empresses and Consorts, family tree on page. 142.) So that would be his cousin that Lu Jing married. (Lu Jing's wife is the younger sister of Sun Hao.)

The list of Lu Kang's sons in SGZ is: Lu Yan, Lu Jing, Lu Xuan, Lu Ji, and Lu Yun. There seems to be a youngest brother, Lu Dan, according to the "Unofficial Biography of Ji and Yun", quoted by Pei Songzhi in Lu Xun/Kang's bio. In the same passage, it is said that Lu Ji got framed for rebellion because of some weird politics (yes, a eunuch was involved, surprise surprise), and "all to the third degree of relations" were executed in that incident (unclear from the text whether it was the 3 degrees of relations from Lu Ji or from Lu Kang, since the preceding sentence was blaming the extermination of the clan as a retribution for Lu Kang's actions against Bu Chan. :x)
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Unread postby Sun Gongli » Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:24 am

Thanks! I've got them added. I'll start building a chart that I can edit later.
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Unread postby Sun Gongli » Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:27 pm

I've added the descendants of Gu Shao. They are identified in Lu Xun's SGZ biography as his nephews, which is consistent with Gu Shao being Sun Ce's son-in-law.
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Unread postby Sun Gongli » Sun May 29, 2005 1:33 am

Does anybody know where Sun Ji, Sun Shu, and Sun Zhen fit on this list?

EDIT: Nevermind, found them. Updated! Nearly complete!
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Unread postby Zijing » Mon May 30, 2005 9:05 pm

I had thought this was allready completed. In any case I am very excited to see the finished draft of it.
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