Was Xun Yu wrong about Yuan Shao's advisors? (Novel)

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Unread postby Han Liang » Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:18 pm

The arrow trick was pretty good, though Cao countered that with ballistae. The burrowing trick, too. Shen Pei, I think, realized that he might have to end it quickly, or Cao would find a weakness. Which is what happened.
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Unread postby DarkFire13 » Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:57 pm

Yuan Shao didn't have Cao Cao's intelligence didn't he?

Cao Cao was truly superior to Yuan Shao in every way.

Cao Cao knew the answer to many of his own questions don't you think?

He knew when to listen and when to act on his own.

Yuan Shao, not to say that he was incapable, but he simply wasn't Cao Cao's match.

Yuan Shao seemed to be lost every single time his advisors would argue.

He didn't know which one to follow.

He also didn't really plan things on his own did he?

He was also pretty ignorant and offered petty excuses.

Remember when he had the oppurtunity to attack Xu Chang during Cao Cao's absence?

So, I'd say that Xun Yu hit it right on!
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Unread postby Han Liang » Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:18 pm

Yeah, but Xun Yu was talking about Yuan's advisors, not Yuan.
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Unread postby Frank » Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:18 pm

Yep, DarkFire13 pretty much summed up my opinion of the Battle of Guan Du and Yuan Shao. Chiefly I think that the fact that he would never pick a good strategy to fall on between all of his advisors fighting each other and the fact that he would never come up with his own strategy makes Cao Cao his total superior. So, yeah, Xun Yu once again proved to me that he's one of Cao Cao's greatest advisors, I'd say, hmm... including all officers that served Wei at anytime, I'd say my personal number 3.
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Unread postby Ma Chao of Xi Liang » Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:53 am

He was wrong.If Yuan Shao heeded Tian Feng or Ju Shou's advice to wait until Cao Cao's supplies were all gone,he wouldnt have lost at Guan Du.
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Unread postby Dong Zhou » Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:34 am

he wasn't meant to be accurate but to raise morale and make sure Cao Cao kept fighting
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Unread postby MarvelousLingTong!!!!!! » Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:05 pm

I think he was wrong about all his advisors except Tian Feng and Ju Shou who gave good advice. Shen Pei was decent. Peng Ji was not very good and just seemed to say whatever anybody else said was bad advice. He did get Shao the Ji province though. Guo Tu didn't come across as very smart either. Xu You i dont have much to say about him because i dont what advice he offered besides the one he gave at Guan Du to conquer Xu Chang.
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Unread postby Shield of Rohan » Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:27 am

If I recall correctly Guo Tu held Yuan's favor in terms of strategy at Guan Du - completely botching it, of course. Xu You defected to Cao and rather ironically was the advisor that contributed most to Yuan's destruction by leaking information about Wuchao. Tian Feng was IMO the best, but not in Yuan's favor after his early successes in military strategy against Gongsun Zan. Ju Shou was decent as was Shen Pei. Feng Ji was useless after the steal of Ji.

Nonetheless, with their collective powers Yuan had a great strategical base. Part of the blame was his for not properly recognizing which advice to take.
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Unread postby LiuBeiwasGreat » Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:50 am

Funny how if Yuan Shao had listened to Tian Feng and Ju Shou then he most likely he would have won. Funny how things turn out.
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