guan yan wrote:guan yu had enough fame in fighting ability he would not have to fight from their his glory was at a level were he could leave it.
evidently, he didn't think so.
Are we speaking novel or historically here?
guan yan wrote:guan yu had enough fame in fighting ability he would not have to fight from their his glory was at a level were he could leave it.
Also guan yu had accoplishments as such if not better in fighting ability that is why he is named the tigar general of his time and worth 10,000 men on the battle feild and unsurpassed among his fellows and had much praise from Cao Cao. He was said to run threw enemy lines without fear.
I would not say that Guan's greatest accoplishment was killing yan liang at all but his skill on the battlefeild. He is the one that saved liu bei with fresh men at changben against a bigger force due to his trained men and himself fighting his way threw and Cao Cao withdrew.
And his intellegence as a general lacked at some points but at fan it is believeable that he lost mi fang had gone over to wu and taken the castle sane with fu shi ren with lu meng lu xun at the rear of the armyand with Cao Cao's forces (xu huang, Cao ren) at the front what do you expect.
Shield wrote:I do not think it is fair to say that Zhao Yun was braver than Guan Yu just because his feats at Chang Ban required more from Zhao Yun and Guan Yu feats against Yan Liang required less from Guan Yu. Had Guan Yu been there at Chang Ban in Zhao Yun situation I do not doubt that he would have done the same thing Zhao Yun did.
guan yan wrote:No, more praise and better praise better accomplishments on the battle feild favoured by cao cao more than dain wei thats impressive (just thought i would bring that up) unsurpassed among fellows does that beat zhang fei i wonder but that is one persons opinion cheng said they were even so did chen zhou.
Elitemsh wrote:Shield wrote:I do not think it is fair to say that Zhao Yun was braver than Guan Yu just because his feats at Chang Ban required more from Zhao Yun and Guan Yu feats against Yan Liang required less from Guan Yu. Had Guan Yu been there at Chang Ban in Zhao Yun situation I do not doubt that he would have done the same thing Zhao Yun did.
Absolutely not. There is no way that Guan Yu would have done the same thing if he was in Yun's place. Liu Bei's family was left behind many times before Changban and Guan Yu never turned back and he could have if he wanted to. Guan Yu was brave but he was no hero. Zhao Yun was a hero and he was selfless (some of his later deeds prove this), that is why he went back. It wasn't all about bravery, even a common person can be brave but to be a hero is far more difficult. It is alright if you think Guan Yu was as brave or braver, but to say that he would have done the same thing as Zhao Yun if he was there is completely illogical.
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